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Hi guys
I'm new at this.
I'm a Premium subscriber here, but don't know, and can't seem to find how the RR Database gets from here, to the scanner.
I have a Uniden SDS200, and am using the Uniden Sentinel software.

Thanks for any ideas
Bob
 

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No need to worry about the RR Database. The Database is in Sentinel and gets to the SDS200 via writing to the scanner by clicking on the Scanner tab at the top of Sentinel.
 

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So Uniden customers using Sentinel don't need to have a Premium subscription then?

Thanks Dave
 

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I believe I needed the premium subscription to be able to purchase or sell items in the classifieds section.
I like to peruse the RR database and see different systems tower patterns for my area.
 

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If you update the db in sentinel frequently you will pretty much have just about everything in your scanners db that’s on radio reference as long as you select force full write database when writing to the scanner. Pretty much means only scannable systems and if your county updates on a Tuesday, you won’t have those updates until the following Monday.

Since you have a radio reference subscription, if you bought either @ProScan software or @Butelsoftware , you can download non scannable systems as well as any updates literally the second they post on radio reference.
 

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Hello all

I'm doing better, but I'm still fuzzy on the Force Full Write Database.

Maybe I don't need to, and shouldn't be using it, but I read somewhere that it's necessary.
When I use the Write to Scanner and then Force Full Write Database, it never finishes loading.

Any ideas appreciated
Take care
Bob
 

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Hello all

I'm doing better, but I'm still fuzzy on the Force Full Write Database.

Maybe I don't need to, and shouldn't be using it, but I read somewhere that it's necessary.
When I use the Write to Scanner and then Force Full Write Database, it never finishes loading.

Any ideas appreciated
Take care
Bob

It does no harm to force write the full database during an update, but.....

It's not necessary to check the "force write full database" in Sentinel unless you are trying to over-write the master database in the scanner with one of the same date from Sentinel. The only time you would need to check that box would be if the master database in the scanner had somehow been corrupted (for example... a bad SD card), and you were trying to re-write the same date database to the scanner again.... a very rare instance.

Once you update the database in Sentinel with the new weekly update, and Sentinel sees that it has a newer database than the one in the scanner, just writing to the scanner will always (force write) overwrite the older one in the scanner without having to check that box.

When Sentinel sees that the scanner has the same date on the database that it has in your computer, it won't write that database to the scanner again. Each time you write to the scanner for adding frequencies etc, as long as the database dates in the scanner and Sentinel match, the main database in not sent to the scanner again.
 

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I'm a Premium subscriber here, but don't know, and can't seem to find how the RR Database gets from here, to the scanner.
I have a Uniden SDS200, and am using the Uniden Sentinel software.

To clarify....

Uniden has licensing agreements with RR to make the RR database info available through Sentinel for those that purchase the SD card database type scanners. Through an automated process, Uniden servers pull the RR database data up to their servers sometime on Sunday evenings and format and modify it for use with the scanners that use Sentinel. Uniden then makes the updated database available for downloads from their server through Sentinel on Monday mornings (barring occasional glitches in the process).
 

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If you update the db in sentinel frequently you will pretty much have just about everything in your scanners db that’s on radio reference as long as you select force full write database when writing to the scanner. Pretty much means only scannable systems and if your county updates on a Tuesday, you won’t have those updates until the following Monday.

Since you have a radio reference subscription, if you bought either @ProScan software or @Butelsoftware , you can download non scannable systems as well as any updates literally the second they post on radio reference.
I'm curious, what is "non scannable" (but presumably still listenable)? I should think that if you can listen to it you should be able to include it in a scan?
 

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Non scannable would-be systems that do not have any talk groups listed.
Those systems can be added manually and programed with ID search.
 

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Non scannable would-be systems that do not have any talk groups listed.
Those systems can be added manually and programed with ID search.
So in other words: talk groups on trunking (or otherwise organized systems) which no one has as of yet identified, validated, and submitted to RR for inclusion in the database? That makes sense to me, so hopefully you (or someone) will validate that understanding.
 

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So in other words: talk groups on trunking (or otherwise organized systems) which no one has as of yet identified, validated, and submitted to RR for inclusion in the database? That makes sense to me, so hopefully you (or someone) will validate that understanding.
This is something that has been kicked around before. The original Home Patrol scanner was promoted as one that someone with zero radio monitoring knowledge base could hook up to power, set their location, and update the database, then turn on the scanner, and listen to their local systems. Systems without talkgroups weren't included in the Home Patrol's database, since there was noting to listen to. Yes, those of use with some knowledge of how systems work would know to flip the system to ID Search,and let it find active talkgroups. But we're not the original target market.

Another category where a system would not be included were those that had no LCN's (logical channel numbers). When the HP-1 came out, that mainly would have been LTR and EDACS systems. (That was well before later models, starting with the x36HP series, had firmware upgrades to allow reception of DMR & (later) NXDN systems.) With few exceptions, DMR and NXDN systems need correct LCNs to be monitored, so, at present, those are not included in the databases provided for Sentinel.

As has been discussed in a different thread, the suggestion has been made to Uniden (via Jason Houk) to see if those 'unmonitorable' systems could be, somehow, included in Sentinel's database, to enable those of us with an understanding of how things work could more easily load those systems, and work on filling in the needed information using ID Search, and the LCN Finder utilities in the x36HP & SDS series scanners. (The HP-1 & HP-2, if they have the "Extreme Upgrade, also have an LCN Finder ability.)
 

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For what my humble opinion is worth; I think the approach RR has taken (curated) is the best of the approaches. I say this because the more technically oriented have the option to set things like favorites in SDS devices where they can be very precise in what they want to set up to scan. That leaves the big database to just include things that aren't likely to disappoint.
 
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