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In Trumbull County I am receiving a control channel on 454.055. DSD is showing it is site 181-3 Ran 3. The neighbors are 181-1, 181-2 and 181-10. I have no way to find the channels DSD is showing to decode audio.
 
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jrl44430 said:
In Trumbull County I am receiving a control channel on 454.055. DSD is showing it is site 181-3 Ran 3. The neighbors are 181-1, 181-2 and 181-10. I have no way to find the channels DSD is showing to decode audio.
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that is the Domer nxdn System, not Futronics

look up the Domer system in the db
 
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The latest repeater map broadcast from Futronics (8-15-2025)

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 Repeater Map For Con+ Network 182  Lauttamus-Futronics

  Site 182-1 ; Castalia

   LCN =  1  TX = 463.28750  RX = 468.28750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.93750  RX = 456.93750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 462.01250  RX = 467.01250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 463.96250  RX = 468.96250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 463.58750  RX = 468.58750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-2 ; Findlay

   LCN =  1  TX = 463.23750  RX = 468.23750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 462.06250  RX = 467.06250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.88750  RX = 466.88750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 464.81250  RX = 469.81250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 463.96250  RX = 468.96250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  6  TX = 452.26250  RX = 457.26250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-3 ; Oregon

   LCN =  1  TX = 424.40000  RX = 429.40000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 462.07500  RX = 467.07500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.47500  RX = 466.47500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-4 ; Willard

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.00000  RX = 466.00000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.97500  RX = 457.97500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 451.60000  RX = 456.60000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 463.87500  RX = 468.87500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 451.17500  RX = 456.17500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-5 ; West Lodi

   LCN =  1  TX = 464.91250  RX = 469.91250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.33750  RX = 457.33750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 451.98750  RX = 456.98750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 451.96250  RX = 456.96250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 461.78750  RX = 466.78750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-6 ; Medina

   LCN =  1  TX = 422.26250  RX = 427.26250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.98750  RX = 456.98750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 463.81250  RX = 468.81250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-7 ; Wooster

   LCN =  1  TX = 464.91250  RX = 469.91250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.73750  RX = 468.73750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.78750  RX = 469.78750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 451.72500  RX = 456.72500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 452.25000  RX = 457.25000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  6  TX = 461.76250  RX = 466.76250  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-8 ; Detroit

   LCN =  1  TX = 424.66250  RX = 429.66250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.60000  RX = 468.60000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-9 ; Toledo N Irwin Rd

   LCN =  1  TX = 463.21250  RX = 468.21250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.93750  RX = 456.93750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.68750  RX = 466.68750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 464.25000  RX = 469.25000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 452.27500  RX = 457.27500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  6  TX = 464.75000  RX = 469.75000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  7  TX = 452.75000  RX = 457.75000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-10 ; Toledo Hill Ave

   LCN =  1  TX = 422.83750  RX = 427.83750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.76250  RX = 466.76250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.48750  RX = 466.48750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 422.33750  RX = 427.33750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 422.58750  RX = 427.58750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  6  TX = 424.66250  RX = 429.66250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  7  TX = 461.41250  RX = 466.41250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-11 ; Fremont

   LCN =  1  TX = 460.92500  RX = 465.92500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.87500  RX = 466.87500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.62500  RX = 457.62500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 461.52500  RX = 466.52500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-12 ; Berlin Heights

   LCN =  1  TX = 464.73750  RX = 469.73750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.33750  RX = 468.33750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 463.98750  RX = 468.98750  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-13 ; Lima

   LCN =  1  TX = 451.88750  RX = 456.88750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.38750  RX = 466.38750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-14 ; Mansfield

   LCN =  1  TX = 462.11250  RX = 467.11250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.66250  RX = 466.66250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-15 ; Bucyrus

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.23750  RX = 457.23750  DCC =  6  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.43750  RX = 457.43750  DCC =  6  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 451.91250  RX = 456.91250  DCC =  6  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 453.01250  RX = 458.01250  DCC =  6  CC

  Site 182-16 ; Wauseon

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.58750  RX = 466.58750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 462.08750  RX = 467.08750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.05000  RX = 466.05000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 461.86250  RX = 466.86250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 461.20000  RX = 466.20000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  6  TX = 464.72500  RX = 469.72500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-17 ; Greenwich

   LCN =  1  TX = 463.66250  RX = 468.66250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.88750  RX = 468.88750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 462.13750  RX = 467.13750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 463.46250  RX = 468.46250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 464.15000  RX = 469.15000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-18 ; Deschler

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.43750  RX = 457.43750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.28750  RX = 457.28750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.63750  RX = 469.63750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.38750  RX = 457.38750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 461.40000  RX = 466.40000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  6  TX = 463.65000  RX = 468.65000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-19 ; Bowling Green

   LCN =  1  TX = 460.90000  RX = 465.90000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.65000  RX = 456.65000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.27500  RX = 466.27500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-20 ; Carleton

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.82500  RX = 466.82500  DCC =  2  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 424.66250  RX = 429.66250  DCC =  2  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 422.58750  RX = 427.58750  DCC =  2  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 422.33750  RX = 427.33750  DCC =  2  CC
   LCN =  5  TX = 463.27500  RX = 468.27500  DCC =  2
   LCN =  6  TX = 461.27500  RX = 466.27500  DCC =  2
   LCN =  7  TX = 461.42500  RX = 466.42500  DCC =  2
   LCN =  8  TX = 422.83750  RX = 427.83750  DCC =  2

  Site 182-21 ; Akron

   LCN =  1  TX = 451.03750  RX = 456.03750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.21250  RX = 456.21250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.02500  RX = 469.02500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-22 ; New Riegel

   LCN =  1  TX = 454.00000  RX = 459.00000  DCC =  7  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.77500  RX = 457.77500  DCC =  7  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.35000  RX = 469.35000  DCC =  7
   LCN =  4  TX = 461.60000  RX = 466.60000  DCC =  7
   LCN =  5  TX = 451.40000  RX = 456.40000  DCC =  7
   LCN =  6  TX = 461.00000  RX = 466.00000  DCC =  7

  Site 182-23 ; Berlin

   LCN =  1  TX = 460.97500  RX = 465.97500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.06250  RX = 456.06250  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-24 ; Nashville

   LCN =  1  TX = 454.35000  RX = 459.35000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 464.31250  RX = 469.31250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-25 ; Woodville

   LCN =  1  TX = 454.02500  RX = 459.02500  DCC =  2  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 464.76250  RX = 469.76250  DCC =  2
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.58750  RX = 469.58750  DCC =  2
   LCN =  4  TX = 460.97500  RX = 465.97500  DCC =  2  CC

  Site 182-26 ; Lorain

   LCN =  1  TX = 422.21250  RX = 427.21250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 464.68750  RX = 469.68750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 463.63750  RX = 468.63750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-27 ; Clyde

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.57500  RX = 457.57500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.22500  RX = 456.22500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.06250  RX = 469.06250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 461.61250  RX = 466.61250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-28 ; Crestline

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.46250  RX = 466.46250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.93750  RX = 466.93750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.61250  RX = 466.61250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  4  TX = 464.83750  RX = 469.83750  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-29 ; Norwalk

   LCN =  1  TX = 454.27500  RX = 459.27500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 464.22500  RX = 469.22500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.17500  RX = 466.17500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 460.95000  RX = 465.95000  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-30 ; Lagrange

   LCN =  1  TX = 422.23750  RX = 427.23750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.27500  RX = 468.27500  DCC =  1

  Site 182-31  UnKnown - likely Thompson or Wickliffe in NEOH

   LCN =  1  TX = 422.38750  RX = 427.38750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.57500  RX = 457.57500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.75000  RX = 457.75000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.55000  RX = 457.55000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-32 ; Huntsburg

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.86250  RX = 466.86250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.38750  RX = 468.38750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 463.83750  RX = 468.83750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 464.41250  RX = 469.41250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 464.91250  RX = 469.91250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-33 ; Canton

   LCN =  1  TX = 460.92500  RX = 465.92500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 463.25000  RX = 468.25000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-34 ; Upper Sandusky (Wyandot) - WRFD432

   LCN =  1  TX = 460.97500  RX = 465.97500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.22500  RX = 466.22500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 462.20000  RX = 467.20000  DCC =  1

  Site 182-35 ; Youngstown

   LCN =  1  TX = 461.00000  RX = 466.00000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.26250  RX = 457.26250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.58750  RX = 457.58750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-36 ; Sycamore (Wyandot) - WQHN358

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.32500  RX = 457.32500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.52500  RX = 456.52500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.82500  RX = 457.82500  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-37 ; Middle Bass Island

   LCN =  1  TX = 463.56250  RX = 468.56250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 461.61250  RX = 466.61250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.21250  RX = 457.21250  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-42  ; Wakeman

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.38750  RX = 457.38750  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.93750  RX = 456.93750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-44 ; Unknown - neighbor of (182-3 Oregon)

   LCN =  1  TX = 454.30000  RX = 459.30000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 454.52500  RX = 459.52500  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-74 ; Carey (Wyandot) - WQHN358

   LCN =  1  TX = 451.21250  RX = 456.21250  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.82500  RX = 457.82500  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-103

   LCN =  1  TX = 424.42500  RX = 429.42500  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 424.50000  RX = 429.50000  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-111 ; Bellevue (Huron)

   LCN =  1  TX = 451.10000  RX = 456.10000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 451.20000  RX = 456.20000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.52500  RX = 457.52500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.55000  RX = 457.55000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 452.60000  RX = 457.60000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  6  TX = 451.08750  RX = 456.08750  DCC =  1

  Site 182-113 - Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR CENTRAL CAMPUS

   LCN =  2  TX = 461.73750  RX = 466.73750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 464.68750  RX = 469.68750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 463.41250  RX = 468.41250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 422.40000  RX = 427.40000  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-114 - Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR SOUTH CAMPUS

   LCN =  2  TX = 452.78750  RX = 457.78750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.53750  RX = 457.53750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.58750  RX = 457.58750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 422.60000  RX = 427.60000  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-115 - Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR NORTH CAMPUS

   LCN =  2  TX = 452.88750  RX = 457.88750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 451.23750  RX = 456.23750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 451.68750  RX = 456.68750  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 422.20000  RX = 427.20000  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-116 - Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR PGT2

   LCN =  2  TX = 452.42500  RX = 457.42500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 451.87500  RX = 456.87500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.75000  RX = 457.75000  DCC =  1
   LCN =  5  TX = 422.56250  RX = 427.56250  DCC =  1  CC

  Site 182-117 Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR PGT3

   LCN =  1  TX = 452.50000  RX = 457.50000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.27500  RX = 457.27500  DCC =  1
   LCN =  3  TX = 461.91250  RX = 466.91250  DCC =  1
   LCN =  4  TX = 463.76250  RX = 468.76250  DCC =  1

  Site 182-118 Perrysburg (Wood) - FIRST SOLAR PGT4


   LCN =  1  TX = 451.16250  RX = 456.16250  DCC =  4  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.27500  RX = 457.27500  DCC =  4
   LCN =  3  TX = 452.50000  RX = 457.50000  DCC =  4
   LCN =  4  TX = 452.75000  RX = 457.75000  DCC =  4

  Site 182-119 ; Luckey (Wood) - KNHC606 - FIRST SOLAR PGW

   LCN =  1  TX = 451.05000  RX = 456.05000  DCC =  1  CC
   LCN =  2  TX = 452.65000  RX = 457.65000  DCC =  1
 
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As you can see in the previous post there are quite a number of FIRST SOLAR sites that aren't confirmed online but probably are online

Sites showing in the repeater map but not confirmed online:

Site 31 - Thompson / Wickliffe (Geauga / Lake)
Site 34 - Upper Sandusky (Wyandot)
Site 36 - Sycamore (Wyandot)
Site 44 - Unknown - but a neighbor of Oregon (Lucas) and thus likely in NW Ohio
Site 74 - Carey (Wyandot)
Site 103 - Unknown - Oregon-5460 Cedar Point Rd (Lucas) or Toledo-2221 North Front Street (Lucas)
Site 111 - Bellevue (Huron)
Site 113 - First Solar Central Campus
Site 114 - First Solar South Campus
Site 115 - First Solar North Campus
Site 116 - First Solar PGT2
Site 117 - First Solar PGT3
Site 118 - First Solar PGT4
Site 119 - First Solar PGW
 
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mtindor said:
As you can see in the previous post there are quite a number of FIRST SOLAR sites that aren't confirmed online but probably are online

Sites showing in the repeater map but not confirmed online:

Site 31 - Thompson / Wickliffe (Geauga / Lake)
Site 34 - Upper Sandusky (Wyandot)
Site 36 - Sycamore (Wyandot)
Site 44 - Unknown - but a neighbor of Oregon (Lucas) and thus likely in NW Ohio
Site 74 - Carey (Wyandot)
Site 103 - Unknown - Oregon-5460 Cedar Point Rd (Lucas) or Toledo-2221 North Front Street (Lucas)
Site 111 - Bellevue (Huron)
Site 113 - First Solar Central Campus
Site 114 - First Solar South Campus
Site 115 - First Solar North Campus
Site 116 - First Solar PGT2
Site 117 - First Solar PGT3
Site 118 - First Solar PGT4
Site 119 - First Solar PGW
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Site 59 - Marion is active (454.025000) now with a very strong signal. I attempted to search the FCC database for additional channels/frequencies to no avail.IMG_0687.png





Any help appreciate.
 
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wa8pyr said:
I’ll be up there Wednesday, I’ll see if I can round anything up.
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Unfortunately, nearly every site I’ve ever monitored over than many years has been awful quiet, regardless of time of day, week, school in session or not. I hope you find some traffic. I can’t believe they just keep beating the dead ConnectPlus horse by adding new sites.

My personal thought is that this is the most useless system I’ve ever been involved in mapping out. I had burned up way too much of my time over the years with it.
 
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jasonhouk said:
I have one scanner running LCN finder and another tuned to the 4 channels provided with zero hits so far.
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They are notorious for often using only 454 mhz freqs even if they happen to have a license for "regular" spectrum. And, if the site is not busy with traffic you'll never get a hit off of anything but the control channel. One would presume that if you are firing up a new site, the intent is to use it. But Futronics defies all common logic much of the time. I'm sure there will eventually be some voice traffic, you just wouldn't know where if you didn't know what frequencies to be watching out for. If it happens to be one or two more 454 mhz freqs, then you are SOL. Tedious process. Especially tedious with ConnectPlus since ConnectPlus doesn't use LCNs based upon a channel plan. So even if you had an SDR and DSDPlus parked on the CC, the most it would tell you is "hey there is voice traffic on LSN 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 and you have no way to guess what frequencies might actually be involved.

This system should be called PastTronics or DefunctTronics :)
 
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One LCN found in 7 days, I do have SDR's available, what are you thinking DSDpp?

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One LCN found in 7 days, I do have SDR's available, what are you thinking DSDpp?

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Yes, DSDPlus and an TRL dongle. You should park on 460.900 with your scanner and see if it reveals any SysID/SIte information like 454.025, and see if it is the same or perhaps a different site.

Mike
 
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mtindor said:
Yes, DSDPlus and an TRL dongle. You should park on 460.900 with your scanner and see if it reveals any SysID/SIte information like 454.025, and see if it is the same or perhaps a different site.

Mike
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I didn’t get a chance to run DSD last Wednesday; too busy running ITCMon and identifying RR signals at the depot.
 
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mtindor said:
Yes, DSDPlus and an TRL dongle. You should park on 460.900 with your scanner and see if it reveals any SysID/SIte information like 454.025, and see if it is the same or perhaps a different site.

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Nothing on 460.900 with the BDC436HP with a Remtronix 920S, I'll check when can hook up the SDR to my arial at home and advise.
 
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jasonhouk said:
Nothing on 460.900 with the BDC436HP with a Remtronix 920S, I'll check when can hook up the SDR to my arial at home and advise.
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Ok. makes sense if it is not the active CC and only a voice channel. 454.025 is probably LCN 1 and 460.900 is probably LCN 2. And you probably didn't get an LCN for 454.025 because sometimes they just don't set it to have voice traffic on the 2nd timeslot of the CC.

And of course, if they aren't busy when you are monitoring, a voice channel would be silent.

I just wanted to check and make sure that 460.900 wasn't a CC for some other site within range, mainly because 460.900 / .925 / .95 / .975 I think are all special/unique and only recently allowed to be licensed by LMR providers, and typically they are control channels.

Mike
 
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