G5 problem share with G4

[lifeson]

Hi group ,
I have a friend who just bought a G4 . Could he use my G5 exported file program for the G4 if I take off the vhf stuff in the saved file first before I export it?
Thanks!
*i meant program in subject.

 

[davidzimmerman]

Hi group ,
I have a friend who just bought a G4 . Could he use my G5 exported file program for the G4 if I take off the vhf stuff in the saved file first before I export it?
Thanks!
*i meant program in subject.

i'm sure the model numbers will not match up

 

[lifeson]

i'm sure the model numbers will not match up

Thanks for the reply.
So we will just to reprogram all the frequencies and talk groups again?

 

[k3sls]

Thanks for the reply.
So we will just to reprogram all the frequencies and talk groups again?

Use the export function in PPS for the G5, then the PPS import to the G4. It should strip any of the VHF/UHF info. You will still have to make some changes to the zones though.

Model number is dealt with during export and import...so no issue there!

 

[lifeson]

Use the export function in PPS for the G5, then the PPS import to the G4. It should strip any of the VHF/UHF info. You will still have to make some changes to the zones though.

Model number is dealt with during export and import...so no issue there!

Okay. Thank you. It saves a lot of copy and paste .
What changes will we have to do to zones?
Thank you

 

[k3sls]

Okay. Thank you. It saves a lot of copy and paste .
What changes will we have to do to zones?
Thank you

As an example, labels that referenced stripped data will need to be changed or removed. Zones that completely referenced stripped data may be empty or have strange data. Just review the zones after the import for entries that likely won't work correctly.

 

[lifeson]

As an example, labels that referenced stripped data will need to be changed or removed. Zones that completely referenced stripped data may be empty or have strange data. Just review the zones after the import for entries that likely won't work correctly.

Okay thank you!i appreciate the help!

 

[BenScan]

Funny you should ask. I bought a G5 a couple years ago, and realized I didn't really need the VHF, so I bought 3 more G4s instead of another G5. I have been maintaining two different configurations, which is a lot of work for the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I have 1400 or so talkgroups and 40-50 channels filled.

Today, I used the steps below to do what I think you are asking.

C Create Profile for User Group

C2 Copy From Existing Profile buttons

Then I chose my G5 file

Clicked on the Convert New Model button.

Then change the model number to "G4B66BF-SXXXEN1401UNI"

Clicked the Select button

Then type in a User Group Name

Finally, click Save or Next, and BOOM! everything copied to a G4 profile.

In my case, the PPS converted anything VHF to 763.0 MHz, and I didn't have to go in and remove a bunch of stuff as the other method posted described.

I was surprised it was that easy, and really happy too. Now, I think I'll probably just maintain the G5 profile, and then follow the steps above when I need to update the G4s. It will keep the layout the same for both models, and I'll just have to remember that the G4 won't actually work on the VHF stuff. I put all of the VHF stuff in the bottom 5 zones or so, and used blank zones to separate them from the 700/800mhz stuff above. On one of the blanks zones I named it "VHF Below Here".

Happy Scanning!
Ben

 

[k3sls]

Okay thank you!i appreciate the help!

PS: When you import the profile, you'll be prompted to import to the same name you exported from. DON'T!!! Make sure you choose to create a new profile when the prompt shows up!

 

[k3sls]

Funny you should ask. I bought a G5 a couple years ago, and realized I didn't really need the VHF, so I bought 3 more G4s instead of another G5. I have been maintaining two different configurations, which is a lot of work for the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I have 1400 or so talkgroups and 40-50 channels filled.

Today, I used the steps below to do what I think you are asking.

C Create Profile for User Group

C2 Copy From Existing Profile buttons

Then I chose my G5 file

Clicked on the Convert New Model button.

Then change the model number to "G4B66BF-SXXXEN1401UNI"

Clicked the Select button

Then type in a User Group Name

Finally, click Save or Next, and BOOM! everything copied to a G4 profile.

In my case, the PPS converted anything VHF to 763.0 MHz, and I didn't have to go in and remove a bunch of stuff as the other method posted described.

I was surprised it was that easy, and really happy too. Now, I think I'll probably just maintain the G5 profile, and then follow the steps above when I need to update the G4s. It will keep the layout the same for both models, and I'll just have to remember that the G4 won't actually work on the VHF stuff.

Happy Scanning!
Ben

Yes, that works too...but you can end up using zone slots and possibly scanning a frequency needlessly. Either method may need zone cleanup.

 

[troymail]

As Ben said - use the PPS Import Profile function. Then, you should be able to simply create a new profile from an existing one using the "convert to new model" option. I believe any/all frequencies existing entries that the new model does not handle will be reset to a default" frequency for that model (i.e. a frequency of 154.01 from a G5 profile will be changed to 763.000 on the G4, etc.) -- that is - the programming remains in tact - it will just have invalid "default" frequencies.

You will then need to clean things up (remove the invalid stuff) so you aren't wasting time trying to scan/monitor the invalid entries.

You have options - it just comes down to which is more advantageous for your situation and the profile details.

 

[kruser]

As Ben said - use the PPS Import Profile function. Then, you should be able to simply create a new profile from an existing one using the "convert to new model" option. I believe any/all frequencies existing entries that the new model does not handle will be reset to a default" frequency for that model (i.e. a frequency of 154.01 from a G5 profile will be changed to 763.000 on the G4, etc.) -- that is - the programming remains in tact - it will just have invalid "default" frequencies.

You will then need to clean things up (remove the invalid stuff) so you aren't wasting time trying to scan/monitor the invalid entries.

You have options - it just comes down to which is more advantageous for your situation and the profile details.

I'm going from a G4 profile to a G5 with VHF.

Do I need to run through the import/export function?

Also,

where do I find my save ppsuni or unipps profiles?
I scoured my drives and found a mix but all over the place and none have names that really mean anything to me!

Excuse my ignorance while trying to learn this G5 stuff!

Thanks

 

[k3sls]

I'm going from a G4 profile to a G5 with VHF.

Do I need to run through the import/export function?

Also,

where do I find my save ppsuni or unipps profiles?
I scoured my drives and found a mix but all over the place and none have names that really mean anything to me!

Excuse my ignorance while trying to learn this G5 stuff!

Thanks

You can use either method. The export/import is most useful when there are two PCs involved and you're moving profiles. The copy to new profile is best when only one PC is in use.
I'm pretty sure the pps files are stored in your documents folder by default...unless you've somehow altered that. PPS should find your previously stored profiles without doing anything special.

 

[kruser]

I found the profiles although the names are not what I expected.
I can work around that easy enough though.

The issue that is throwing me for a loop is no matter if I export or import to a new profile, no matter what I do, I can't get the 7/800 MHz G4 profile to accept a VHF frequency which my G5 does indeed handle!

I believe everyone that I should just be able to export my G4 profile to a G5 profile and then change what needs to be changed but that does not seem to be the case here.

I did update to the latest PPS to support Phase II as well as firmware to support Phase II.
The radio does work regardless if I load a VHF or 7/800 MHz profile so I guess I will just need to reprogram whichever one requires the least changes to get both VHF and 7/800 back into the radio!

Kind of a pain but not the end of the world.

Thanks Everyone!

 

[k3sls]

I found the profiles although the names are not what I expected.
I can work around that easy enough though.

The issue that is throwing me for a loop is no matter if I export or import to a new profile, no matter what I do, I can't get the 7/800 MHz G4 profile to accept a VHF frequency which my G5 does indeed handle!

I believe everyone that I should just be able to export my G4 profile to a G5 profile and then change what needs to be changed but that does not seem to be the case here.

I did update to the latest PPS to support Phase II as well as firmware to support Phase II.
The radio does work regardless if I load a VHF or 7/800 MHz profile so I guess I will just need to reprogram whichever one requires the least changes to get both VHF and 7/800 back into the radio!

Kind of a pain but not the end of the world.

Thanks Everyone!

You likely didn't change the model number to match your G5!

 

[kruser]

You likely didn't change the model number to match your G5!

That does indeed to be my problem! Thanks for a somewhat simple resolution!

I'm also sending a copy of this to Unication's support email here as I may have found another issue. Not sure if it is an issue or not but figure clarification from Unication can't hurt!
It appears my G5 model number does not match up with any of the models available when I try to do an import,
I can come close but that may be throwing things off as far as I know!

While using Option 2 to Import and Export profiles to/from my old PPS to the new PPS and FW that supports Phase II, I can't find my exact G5 model as listed on the box the G5 came in nor on the sticker under the battery compartment. That leaves me in a predicament as I'm not certain which model I should chose.

My Purchased G5 says it has a model of G5B64BF-SXVXEN1401UNI on the box as well as under the battery compartment.

When I try and change the model for import/export, my model is not listed as it is on the box or on the tag under the battery door.

I can only import VHF frequencies if I start from scratch or I can actually use one of my original unipps profiles but then I loose everything the user sent me.

What stumps me is none of my model numbers match up with the list of model numbers available in any version of the PPS software.

I guess I'm back to square one

And a stupid question, am I doing this right? I mean, I loaded one of the profiles sent to me from another user here which was made on his G4 and of course was made before the Phase II PPS and Firmware was released.

I assume I just import his G4 file and then do an export which will go back on my computer and it should make his file compatible with my G5 version.

I do wish things were easier!!

 

[BenScan]

My understand is...
G4B64... were originally Phase I
G4B66... were originally Phase II or G4B64s that were converted to Phase II
G4B67... will be for DMR enabled models.
However, with the newest Phase I to Phase II upgrade, the model number is not changed in the pager to G4B66, but it will still decode Phase II if it has firmware V1.1.

G5s are similar but with the additional VHF or UHF range as part of the model number.

 

[k3sls]

That does indeed to be my problem! Thanks for a somewhat simple resolution!

I'm also sending a copy of this to Unication's support email here as I may have found another issue. Not sure if it is an issue or not but figure clarification from Unication can't hurt!
It appears my G5 model number does not match up with any of the models available when I try to do an import,
I can come close but that may be throwing things off as far as I know!

While using Option 2 to Import and Export profiles to/from my old PPS to the new PPS and FW that supports Phase II, I can't find my exact G5 model as listed on the box the G5 came in nor on the sticker under the battery compartment. That leaves me in a predicament as I'm not certain which model I should chose.

My Purchased G5 says it has a model of G5B64BF-SXVXEN1401UNI on the box as well as under the battery compartment.

When I try and change the model for import/export, my model is not listed as it is on the box or on the tag under the battery door.

I can only import VHF frequencies if I start from scratch or I can actually use one of my original unipps profiles but then I loose everything the user sent me.

What stumps me is none of my model numbers match up with the list of model numbers available in any version of the PPS software.

I guess I'm back to square one

And a stupid question, am I doing this right? I mean, I loaded one of the profiles sent to me from another user here which was made on his G4 and of course was made before the Phase II PPS and Firmware was released.

I assume I just import his G4 file and then do an export which will go back on my computer and it should make his file compatible with my G5 version.

I do wish things were easier!!

Simple trick to determine model: Open ANY existing profile; connect the pager; go to the programming tab (DO NOT program the pager at this point); after a moment, the lower section of the page will show the model of the connected pager; use that model number for future profiles, whether imported or copied.

 

[LEH]

As an old USAF aircraft maintenance tech and later acquisition manager, I understand the need for the model number changes for 'configuration management'.

I am wondering though how critical is the model number for the PPS (beyond G4/G5) as input by the user. The firmware installed should be what the PPS utilizes in regards as to what is or is not activated. If they don't match, which mine didn't after the phase 2 upgrade, there seems to be no problem.

For us end users, the long list of model numbers is confusing and maybe even unnecessary.

 

[k3sls]

As an old USAF aircraft maintenance tech and later acquisition manager, I understand the need for the model number changes for 'configuration management'.

I am wondering though how critical is the model number for the PPS (beyond G4/G5) as input by the user. The firmware installed should be what the PPS utilizes in regards as to what is or is not activated. If they don't match, which mine didn't after the phase 2 upgrade, there seems to be no problem.

For us end users, the long list of model numbers is confusing and maybe even unnecessary.

It would be helpful if Unication published a model matrix for users. The issue is PPS needs to know what data will be accepted by the pager firmware and spec range so as to prevent pager crashes on programming or use. With multiple versions of firmware and UHF models having four different splits, model specifications add up quickly. Still, PPS could have included a built-in cross reference to aid the user.