Question: How can one tell by some sign or insignia that Mr. Opitz or a rep of this web site has "geo-tagged a city, county, or state system in regards to the new HP-1 scanner...Thank You
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loumaag
Silent Key - Aug 2014
There is no outward sign it has been done, a look at the underling information (depends on what you are looking at) will show if geo data has been entered or is being inherited from something higher in the tree.
Actually, there are reports that show this. On the database page you are interested in, click "REPORTS" in the left menu bar. Then, there will be one (for conventional) or two (for trunked) location reports. These reports show the actual tagged information without any "inheritance."
loumaag
Silent Key - Aug 2014
I considered he was talking about on the page itself. As he is not a premium member, I don't think he has the reports available.
ETA: I also realized that sometime in the past, when we were first adding geo-tags that the inheritance was "hard copied" from the higher elements so there are lots of them that were actually inherited that don't show as such. I am in the process of cleaning Harris Co., TX up right now.
ETA: I also realized that sometime in the past, when we were first adding geo-tags that the inheritance was "hard copied" from the higher elements so there are lots of them that were actually inherited that don't show as such. I am in the process of cleaning Harris Co., TX up right now.
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Ah...I'm spoiled. I forgot the reports were not available to all.
I had brought this up before. If you're not a subscriber, you can't tell if a geotag was entered or inherited.
Hopefully the location reports will be made free for all, or there will be something added to the subcategory view.
loumaag
Silent Key - Aug 2014
You can't tell even if there is something entered. See my added information for Harris Co., TX in my reply above.
At some point in the past, when geo-tagging was first added to the site, the subcategories were copied from the county geo-tag. In other words, when I looked at Harris Co. every geo-tag in any sub-catagory that wasn't being inherited was wrong as it was just copied from the county level. I spent about 4 hours yesterday morning fixing what I could on that one county page; I can guarantee is not the only page with this problem.
Well this is where we start to split hairs between HP-1 and rr.com db, so please forgive me if this doesn't belong...
My understanding is that there are two types of database inheritance. There is hard coded inheritance where somehow a county geotag is applied to a database entry. And there is a 'database' inheritance where the db program itself will perform the inheritance behind the scenes.
If you look at the location report, you can eyeball the locations and see a misplaced county geotag. And if you look at the subcategory view, you have no idea.
Now, please let me know if I understand this correctly...
Because, what I *don't* understand is that if every county in the US has been geotagged and there is inheritance...
Why are there so many 'untagged' locations within the HP-1?
Now, I also understand the issue with statewide and multi-county, where you can't pick a single county's geotag. And I understand that picking a county-based' geotag might not be the best choice for a municipal system. But I would think that a reasonable default is better than no data at all. At least until the geotag information is submitted...
loumaag
Silent Key - Aug 2014
Okay let's see if I can clear this up in no particular order from above.
First, not every county (or primary political subdivision if not the US) may have a geo-tag. So there may be no inheritance on the county level.
Next, the copied inheritance really was never intended to be called an inheritance. If I recall correctly, this copy was not actually a copy but was done to give us (the DB Admins) a starting place to be used with a location assistance tool we have at our disposal that is based on a mapping routine so that the map didn't start at the center of the US with a radius of 2000 miles (the default), but rather would start us in the center of the county with a 25 mile radius. The problem is, that not every subcategory has been altered. Newer subcategories added after the software (web site driven) inheritance came into being do not have any location data forced, so they are blank and the location assistance tool has another method of giving us a starting point. Thus is the nature of software development.
I don't think I completely understand what you were saying about the location report vs the web page view, so let me tell you how it appears to me.
- The location report will show a blank for something added that did not include geo-tag information at the time it was added or some subsequent update of the tag (or in the case of editing, removal of invalid data like I did yesterday with several in Harris Co., TX).
- If the location report contains data it may or may not be valid, based on the above explanation of how generic data was loaded at one time.
- A lot of the same Lat/Lon on an extensively data rich county (like Harris Co.) would indicate invalid data.
- On the web page view, blank geo-tags are filled in from a higher branch on the tree with the tag "inherited data" to the right of the data.
- Invalid data cannot be easily determined because you only see one datapoint at the time.
You summarized my understanding of the db perfectly. To put a nail on it, here is what I think we're referring to as your third bullet item:
RadioReference.com - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference Database
...it is the subcategory view for the San Jose PD. From here, you can see that it is geotagged with the county geotag. SJPD has a large area, but not the entire county.
So two points for this:
#1. If you're a non-paying user of the site, I am pretty sure that this is all of the location information you have access to. So you have no idea how the geotag was provided (e.g. manual inheritance (bullet #2 from your description above), or automatic inheritance (bullet #3)).
#2.The other way to tell is to go here:
Santa Clara County, California (CA) Subcategory Location Data Report
...and I can see that empty fields inherit. And there are some jurisdictions that have the default tag (e.g. radius of 35 miles).
So I totally understand and sympathize where we are. My only comment is that moving forward, we need to allow non-paying folks a way to be able to know which elements need to be tagged.
The other area of confusion appears to be with what is geotagged. I am a bit in a rush, but I'll try to provide a link to a post from UPman where he said all counties have been geotagged.
RadioReference.com - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference Database
...it is the subcategory view for the San Jose PD. From here, you can see that it is geotagged with the county geotag. SJPD has a large area, but not the entire county.
So two points for this:
#1. If you're a non-paying user of the site, I am pretty sure that this is all of the location information you have access to. So you have no idea how the geotag was provided (e.g. manual inheritance (bullet #2 from your description above), or automatic inheritance (bullet #3)).
#2.The other way to tell is to go here:
Santa Clara County, California (CA) Subcategory Location Data Report
...and I can see that empty fields inherit. And there are some jurisdictions that have the default tag (e.g. radius of 35 miles).
So I totally understand and sympathize where we are. My only comment is that moving forward, we need to allow non-paying folks a way to be able to know which elements need to be tagged.
The other area of confusion appears to be with what is geotagged. I am a bit in a rush, but I'll try to provide a link to a post from UPman where he said all counties have been geotagged.
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