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GMRS Pirates using P25 with encryption NY/NJ

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Anyone else hearing GMRS pirates using P25 encryption on GMRS in the NY/NJ area? I'm not a radio cop, but it is becoming annoying. Thoughts?
 

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GMRS is full of unidentified kerchunkers, bubble packs, and CCRs not part 95 certified. I have to ask, does that fact that these guys/gals have for real radios with encryption just grind one's gears that much more?
Not excusing their behavior, but the rather "consequence free" environment that GMRS/FRS has become it's not surprising.
 

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Use their input frequency as simplex and use it a lot. With high power and a big Yagi pointed at the repeater. They have a lot invested in that system and it will be waaaaaay more annoying to them over you hearing hiss but otherwise not costing you any $$.

Anyone else hearing GMRS pirates using P25 encryption on GMRS in the NY/NJ area? I'm not a radio cop, but it is becoming annoying. Thoughts?
 

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GMRS is full of unidentified kerchunkers, bubble packs, and CCRs not part 95 certified. I have to ask, does that fact that these guys/gals have for real radios with encryption just grind one's gears that much more?
Not excusing their behavior, but the rather "consequence free" environment that GMRS/FRS has become it's not surprising.
I am licensed and use Part 95 approved Motorola radios for my GMRS activity, self programmed. I'm not impressed by clowns using "real radios" P25 encrypted on GMRS .
 

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Use their input frequency as simplex and use it a lot. With high power and a big Yagi pointed at the repeater. They have a lot invested in that system and it will be waaaaaay more annoying to them over you hearing hiss but otherwise not costing you any $$.
I get the sentiment but malicious interference isn't the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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I was in Long Island in Feb and there was a lot of heavy duty GMRS activity, rag chewing, etc which is fine.

I think the tri-state GMRS operations has a heavy LEO participation and perhaps they figure they have some imaginary privilege.

While I was there, I was not monitoring for P25 but if they are abusing the channels with it, it won't go well for the rest of us if the FCC decides that Part 90 equipment is problematic.
 

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Anyone else hearing GMRS pirates using P25 encryption on GMRS in the NY/NJ area? I'm not a radio cop, but it is becoming annoying. Thoughts?
Could it be encrypted DMR and not P25 because they sell a lot of CCR tranceivers with DMR encryption capabilities for under $100 where encrypted p25 capable radios are generally in the $1000 range
 

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Has it been confirmed that it actually is P25 with encryption being used and not digital modulation being confused with encryption?

I for one would LOVE to be able to use P25, DMR and NXDN digital modes legally on GMRS. Probably won't ever happen though.
 
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Has it been confirmed that it actually is P25 with encryption being used and not digital modulation being confused with encryption?

I for one would LOVE to be able to use P25, DMR and NXDN digital modes legally on GMRS. Probably won't ever happen though.
It is confirmed. P25 encrypted using an AOR DV-1 in Auto Mode. The NAC code was displayed as well.
 

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I’ve always been a firm believer in if you don’t want to hear it either turn the radio off or go to a different frequency.
This! They aren't bothering you. Add a PL Code or DCS code if you must use that same frequency. The more I read threads on this forum and other forums I frequent, the more I see the old, nosey neighbor that should just mind his or her own business and total jackassery. I see posts with people going into Walmart with MURS radios to interfere with their operations. Why? Why not just use another coded frequency so that you don't bother anyone? Why mess with them at all? On a repeater, I could understand if someone is using your repeater. Yeah. Try to kick them off. Make a report. But on Simplex in the woods or some other area where not on a Calling Frequency, Just go to another frequency. Mind your business.There are guys here that spend their time with multiple scanning equipment in hopes of finding someone on dead airwaves not talking with a callsign. Yet they have no issues driving 80mph on a 65 or transmitting on GMRS, FRS, or MURS with a HAM radio.
 

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There are guys here that spend their time with multiple scanning equipment in hopes of finding someone on dead airwaves not talking with a callsign. Yet they have no issues driving 80mph on a 65 or transmitting on GMRS, FRS, or MURS with a HAM radio.
Best post of 2020.

I still say it grinds someone's gears that it all comes down to people using P25 with encryption which equates to being unable to be stalked by people who will then try to be ID Discovery level weirdos. Turn on PL/DPL, change the channel and get on with life.
 

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If someone was scanning and casually found this and otherwise has no interest in GMRS, then I agree and let it go. However, if you are a user of the specific frequency and have a big investment in a repeater and equipment and somebody is using banned modes and encryption and ruining your investment, then pull out all the stops, point your beam antennas, get all your friends licensed and on your system to up your air time and make them sorry for the day they were born. That's how I handle things like this and I'm usually very successful.

This! They aren't bothering you. Add a PL Code or DCS code if you must use that same frequency. The more I read threads on this forum and other forums I frequent, the more I see the old, nosey neighbor that should just mind his or her own business and total jackassery. I see posts with people going into Walmart with MURS radios to interfere with their operations. Why? Why not just use another coded frequency so that you don't bother anyone? Why mess with them at all? On a repeater, I could understand if someone is using your repeater. Yeah. Try to kick them off. Make a report. But on Simplex in the woods or some other area where not on a Calling Frequency, Just go to another frequency. Mind your business.There are guys here that spend their time with multiple scanning equipment in hopes of finding someone on dead airwaves not talking with a callsign. Yet they have no issues driving 80mph on a 65 or transmitting on GMRS, FRS, or MURS with a HAM radio.
 

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GMRS, like FRS and ham, is a shared resource. Everyone shares the same channels and has to share in the same rule book.

If you have a licensed Part 90 channel with exclusive use in your area of operation, then have at it. But if you have to share your frequencies with others, everyone needs to play with the same rules.
 

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Where are you that youre copying it? Haven't heard anything on the bearcat here and usually keep the gmrs stuff in the scan list for giggles...
 

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The same could be said about highways. Everyone is supposed to play by the rules and drive the speed limit but nobody does. Also nobody goes out of their way to harass speeders and report them unless they are truly reckless. The same should be said about radio but for some reason, it doesn’t work that way.

I guess my point is that Ham operators like to take the role of the police when they themselves don’t always follow every rule. Many communicate on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services. Many use their HAM radios for FRS or GMRS disregarding the Part exemption and doing so on more wattage. Some go over 10 minutes without transmitting a call sign.

But if another group of homes in on their location and busted them, they wouldn’t take too kindly to that.
 

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If someone is not playing by the rules then I believe they loose their right to share those resources.

GMRS, like FRS and ham, is a shared resource. Everyone shares the same channels and has to share in the same rule book.

If you have a licensed Part 90 channel with exclusive use in your area of operation, then have at it. But if you have to share your frequencies with others, everyone needs to play with the same rules.
 
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