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GMRS Pirates using P25 with encryption NY/NJ
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It's probably the blue comm members. Most all of them active or retired law enforcement or firefighters. Most of them have newer Motorola equipment and I have heard them using encryption in the past. When using analog they have a very unique scheme of pl tones to keep pirates off there system.
Speeding?.............Ham Operators? WTF does any of this have to do GMRS? Holy Smokes................................
it's either NYC or NJ. Several different GMRS freq's. Mostly GMRS 21 and 22.
Context. It's clearly explained in English.
russbrill
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I doubt it's LE, probably organized crooks using a wide area system.. The criminal element has gotten wise to NOT Using cell phones for their activity, especially Mules and other ops... Even Neighborhood Gangsters are getting caught with FRS radios (2 watt version) from time to time. The Alert feature on the FRS radios is popular for the quick hookup and sale.. Some LE is aware of this, but not much can be done, you can't do a wiretap on an FRS Radio, and they can only be heard for a couple miles at best...
ecps92
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Years ago, here in New England, we had a "675" GMRS running DVP/DES
guess what - it was LE who since they were LE or 'RETIRED' LE - felt entitled
Since it is ENC, we may never know the REAL answer until the FCC takes them down.
guess what - it was LE who since they were LE or 'RETIRED' LE - felt entitled
Since it is ENC, we may never know the REAL answer until the FCC takes them down.
Same applies here. A bunch of active and retired law enforcement, firefighters and EMS folks operate at least 5 or more repeaters called the Blue Comm network and they occasionally use P25 with encryption. Looking on the MyGMRS web site I see another large network of repeaters that may be using encryption also just going by the name of the network...JCAES network in northern new Jersey. AES right in the name, I think we have a winner!
Just look at the non-sense they include with all there site postings on the MyGMRS web site. We definitely have a winner I think!
myGMRS.com - Invalid Repeater ID
myGMRS.com is a General Mobile Radio Service community where users can search and submit repeaters in their area.
mygmrs.com
That's a good point, it could be something in the middle as well, Not LE or crooks but just a couple of nerds with the ability to program P25 radios. Anyway, I'll keep listening.
Yes, I get the context. Rambling, crotchety, finger wagging, "get off my lawn" troll speeches about minding my business or changing the dial, as well as whining about HAM operators, stalking, etc. I have no interest in any of that nonsense.
Same applies here. A bunch of active and retired law enforcement, firefighters and EMS folks operate at least 5 or more repeaters called the Blue Comm network and they occasionally use P25 with encryption. Looking on the MyGMRS web site I see another large network of repeaters that may be using encryption also just going by the name of the network...JCAES network in northern new Jersey. AES right in the name, I think we have a winner!
Just look at the non-sense they include with all there site postings on the MyGMRS web site. We definitely have a winner I think!
myGMRS.com - Invalid Repeater ID
myGMRS.com is a General Mobile Radio Service community where users can search and submit repeaters in their area.
I have never monitored the P25 transmissions on any listed Blue Comm or JCAES repeaters. It could be freelancers. I'll have to keep an ear out.
K6GBW
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P25 and other digital modes are not permitted on GMRS because they are flat out annoying to everyone else. We have a guy out here that occasionally engages NXDN and it makes the frequency unusable for anyone else. If we keep ignoring people that do this pretty soon you'll have this kind of non sense on every channel. Get as many people as possible to beef him to the FCC and at least try to handle it the right way. As for them being law enforcement. Well, I don't know how anyone would know that but if they are they can follow the rules like everyone else. I'm retired law enforcement and I follow the rules and try to be polite to others on the air so no one is exempt. GMRS is a great resource that should be expanded and the attitude of just change channels and throw up your hands is not the right approach.
N4KVE
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With any shared repeater, where users use different PL tones, it’s the same as someone using digital. Your PL decode means you don’t hear the offending digital user, but you will see the light is on, & know someone else is using the repeater. When the light goes out, you know nobody is talking, & you pick up the mike which turns off PL decode, & make your call. So whether someone is using digital, or analog with a different PL than yours, you will not hear anybody talking, because your mike is hung up, & you will only hear an analog signal on your PL.
No, you inquired about a specific message with a specific context. He explained perfectly how the subjects were analogous but you chose to act like a troll and feign not understanding the correlation. Now, you are attempting to expand the scope of that specific context after the fact. This is another troll behavior.
Do I think you have a valid gripe in your OP? Yes.
Do I think you are a troll? Absolutely not. However, you are exhibiting troll behavior when doubling down on your comment.
A hundred years ago (or so it seems), when CB was more or less "on the level," it was because the radios were expensive (relative to the economics of those days), as were good antennae and mics. If you had a base radio, and wanted to put on in your car, a lot of people had to seriously think about spending all that extra money on a "hobby."
However, as the price of the radios decreased, and the technical knowledge needed to maintain and improve a station (like how to properly use a soldering iron) was dwindling, CB turned into what it's generally known as today.
What makes anyone think that the same thing won't or can't happen to GMRS....if it hasn't already...and for the same reasons?
However, as the price of the radios decreased, and the technical knowledge needed to maintain and improve a station (like how to properly use a soldering iron) was dwindling, CB turned into what it's generally known as today.
What makes anyone think that the same thing won't or can't happen to GMRS....if it hasn't already...and for the same reasons?
I think technology killed off most CB users. In the 70s it was the only way for regular folks to communicate for a reasonable price without taking a technical test and passing Morse code. As time marched on so did technology, portable phones and now you have the world in your hands with a smart phone. Only the die hard CBrs and some hobby type people remain on CB.
GMRS on the other hand has been here for a long time but out of reach for many due to the cost of equipment. Its much cheaper now than at any time but its not the free for all that Class D CB is, you have to know someone with a repeater and get a license and in some cases find someone to program radios, etc. Then there is no skip and less hobby type tinkering with the equipment.
GMRS on the other hand has been here for a long time but out of reach for many due to the cost of equipment. Its much cheaper now than at any time but its not the free for all that Class D CB is, you have to know someone with a repeater and get a license and in some cases find someone to program radios, etc. Then there is no skip and less hobby type tinkering with the equipment.
Great post, I wouldn't waste my time complaining to the FCC though, they could care less. There is no glory or money in enforcing GMRS violations.
If a bunch of people complain to the FCC they will investigate. Just one person complaining usually goes nowhere. If you can get a group of people to complain, call and send emails to your local FCC office and to Washington. Once they respond, usually in about two weeks then set up a schedule to contact them once a week for an update. If you don't get a reasonable response then up that to once a day with everybody calling and emailing both offices. Don't give up. The FCC is understaffed and very slow these days but the squeaky wheel will get the grease.
KD8DVR
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It isn't malicious interference if the pirates are unlicensed and operating illegally. The illegal users legally don't exist.
n1das
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Is this traffic on repeaters on 462.700MHz and 462.725MHz or simplex (on the repeater outputs)? It shouldn't be hard to locate the repeaters if they get used enough.
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