blastco2
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So what would happen to gmrs repeaters under these proposed rules?
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On 22-channel radios, channels 1-7 and 15-22 all operate under GMRS rules (i.e. an explicit license is legally required). 8-14 operate under FRS rules.
Even though 1-7 can be either FRS or GMRS, since the radio transmits at a power level > 0.5W, it makes them GMRS.
We've petitioned the FCC to make some changes to the rules to make:
1) All channels operate under the same technical standards with maximum 2W ERP for all 22 and same bandwidth for all 22.
2) All channels license-by-rule (i.e. "if you follow the rules, you have a license", which is how FRS, CB, and MURS licensing works).
3) Redefine all 22 channels as FRS (with the above rules).
I've visited the FCC twice for this matter. Both times, they were very receptive. However, this rulemaking has been in process for most of this decade. They estimated some action this Summer (but today is the first day of Autumn, and I've still seen nothing).
So what would happen to gmrs repeaters under these proposed rules?
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Well, that's a horrible idea....They would be required to be deactivated, as the repeater inputs would be reallocated to other services.
Well, that's a horrible idea....
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With a few exceptions, the 22 channel bubble packs already operate in narrow bandwidth mode on all 22 channels. I recall the old Motorola TalkAbout T7200 had the option of setting wide or narrow bandwidth on the GMRS primary channels. The T7200 was also repeater capable.Also, channels 1-7 are set to operate wideband, instead of narrow, which FRS requires.
BAD idea to de-license GMRS.
Better Idea:
The manufacturers need to start making 14 channel FRS only radios, and 15 channel GMRS radios with bold lettering on the package indicating the need for a license.
It is about taking legal responsibility.... not marketing a 22 channel "more is better" radio.
Of course, this will never happen.... Big Business cares about revenue... not what's right.
On 22-channel radios, channels 1-7 and 15-22 all operate under GMRS rules (i.e. an explicit license is legally required). 8-14 operate under FRS rules.
Even though 1-7 can be either FRS or GMRS, since the radio transmits at a power level > 0.5W, it makes them GMRS.
We've petitioned the FCC to make some changes to the rules to make:
1) All channels operate under the same technical standards with maximum 2W ERP for all 22 and same bandwidth for all 22.
2) All channels license-by-rule (i.e. "if you follow the rules, you have a license", which is how FRS, CB, and MURS licensing works).
3) Redefine all 22 channels as FRS (with the above rules).
I've visited the FCC twice for this matter. Both times, they were very receptive. However, this rulemaking has been in process for most of this decade. They estimated some action this Summer (but today is the first day of Autumn, and I've still seen nothing).
Obviously you replied without reading the entire thread. Just above your reply, UPMan had clarified the statement you quoted, in which he wrote:Well, I hope your proposal fails. I think it sucks.
I'll admit that I was fixing to break out the pitchforks and whip the villagers into a frenzy myself, but finished reading the entire thread before setting fire to the thread... :lol:Our recommendation is not to "remove GMRS licensing." GMRS should continue to be an explicit licensed (i.e. you have to mail in an application with a payment) radio service. Our recommendation is to make all 22 channels that are currently in millions of radios part of the FRS and keep FRS as license-by-rule.
Well, I hope your proposal fails. I think it sucks.
I currently run 45 watt mobiles on GMRS. I might, at some future date, put up a GMRS repeater. I'm not going to spend thousands of dollars for frequency co-ordination to get a commercial pair, and Amateur is not legal for use at the ranch.
It's not my problem that Motorola, Midland, and Uniden decided to build an asinine product and flood the market with them, with complete disregard for educating the public about the product, so I think stripping me of the ability to use it as it was intended, in order to fix the screw-ups of a few large companies, is disgusting.
Delta
Our recommendation is not to "remove GMRS licensing." GMRS should continue to be an explicit licensed (i.e. you have to mail in an application with a payment) radio service. Our recommendation is to make all 22 channels that are currently in millions of radios part of the FRS and keep FRS as license-by-rule.
You cannot put the genie back into the bottle. Those millions of 22-channel radios are going to be around for decades. Our recommendation simplifies the rules, reduces consumer confusion, and codifies a defacto situation (most users treat all 22 channels as license-free.
Obviously you replied without reading the entire thread. Just above your reply, UPMan had clarified the statement you quoted, in which he wrote:
I'll admit that I was fixing to break out the pitchforks and whip the villagers into a frenzy myself, but finished reading the entire thread before setting fire to the thread... :lol:
Hmmm...
OK... uh.... HOW can you make the 22 channel radios License Free....
BUT, still require a license?
You'll still have the unlicensed talking on the repeater outputs. Plus, you'll still have the manufacturers making repeater capable bubblepacks.Because GMRS involves more channels than the 22 FRS and FRS/GMRS shared frequencies.
Because GMRS involves more channels than the 22 FRS and FRS/GMRS shared frequencies.
Yeah. Much better clarification than mine wasI think you are a bit confused.
There are not 22 FRS and FRS/GMRS channels.
There are 7 FRS only channels.
There are 7 "interstitial" channels. They MAY be used under FRS rules, OR, they may be used under GMRS rules.
Then, there are 8 GMRS ONLY repeater pairs, 8 inputs, 8 outputs. They may be used ONLY under GMRS rules. High power, simplex or repeater operation.
Delta
On 22-channel radios, channels 1-7 and 15-22 all operate under GMRS rules (i.e. an explicit license is legally required). 8-14 operate under FRS rules.
Even though 1-7 can be either FRS or GMRS, since the radio transmits at a power level > 0.5W, it makes them GMRS.
We've petitioned the FCC to make some changes to the rules to make:
1) All channels operate under the same technical standards with maximum 2W ERP for all 22 and same bandwidth for all 22.
2) All channels license-by-rule (i.e. "if you follow the rules, you have a license", which is how FRS, CB, and MURS licensing works).
3) Redefine all 22 channels as FRS (with the above rules).
I've visited the FCC twice for this matter. Both times, they were very receptive. However, this rulemaking has been in process for most of this decade. They estimated some action this Summer (but today is the first day of Autumn, and I've still seen nothing).
What you are doing is obsoleting GMRS which is a high power, high performance service. Why would you (a manufacturer) do this?
If you follow the present GMRS rules, obtain a license for the cost of $1 per month, you can operate up to 50 watts, enjoy a repeater, operate at full 20 KHz bandwidth (much better coverage) and what could possibly be wrong with letting GMRS exist as it has for many decades?
Why would anyone operating an FRS radio need more than 14 channels and a hundreds of privacy codes?
If you want to market GMRS radios, market radios with higher performance (including proper 20 KHz bandwidth and repeater mode) and demand a higher price point. This "creative marketing 22 channels and 36 miles" all arrives on the back of licensed GMRS operators.
If you must put 22 channels in these radios then make some provision that they are locked out unless a buyer presents a legitimate GMRS callsign to a website. Provide an activation code for the radio that is unique to it.
Don't go messing with GMRS rules to satisfy a corporate agenda.
2 watts ERP? Come on...
Why would you petition the FCC to further reduce higher power (available for all) spectrum?
Doesn't make sense to me either.