Good amateur radio recommendations for newbie

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I recently found my old Pro-97 and the wife has gotten into the listening to it on local radio. I waxed lyrical about listing to hams all around the world on an ancient Rogers Majestic console radio when I was a kid, and later on an Archer (I think) receiver, she sounded interested. We're retired now, and since I got the Pro-97 running, I realized how much I missed it. (We live in an unencrypted area). I am giving serious thought about getting into both ends of amateur radio. What I don't know is are older (IE: Budget) radios to start out. Being retired on a fixed income, money is limited to a point. I'm planning to haunt pawn shops and even (belch) eBay. I'm already looking at antennas and so forth for the scanner, so it will be a bit down the road. I have a fair amount of IT experience, but only the Pro-97, and I am ignorant of anything radio. I'm still trying to figure out a decent budget antenna for both scanner and amateur radio. (unless amateur radios can also scan conventional bands). Any recommendations would be greatly accepted.
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What I don't know is are older (IE: Budget) radios to start out. Being retired on a fixed income, money is limited to a point. I'm planning to haunt pawn shops and even (belch) eBay.
Stay (far) away from e-Bay and the pawn shops! Buy from a reputable vendor like HRO, Main Trading Company, DX Engineering). You'll be better off buying new equipment, with a full manufacturer warranty.

It would help if we had some idea of your budget and what kind of a radio you're interested in (HF "shortwave") or VHF/UHF.

You'll also need to start studying for your first license, which will be the Technician. This license class will be fine if all you care to do is VHF/UHF, but if you're interested in HF, you'll want to upgrade to a General license. As you study, you'll learn more about the different bands and their characteristics which will help you be a more sophisticated consumer.
 

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What I don't know is are older (IE: Budget) radios to start out. Being retired on a fixed income, money is limited to a point. I'm planning to haunt pawn shops and even (belch) eBay.

I'll second what LADN said. The used market is downright stupid. I've sold really old amateur radios on e-Bay for way more than I paid for them new. And it wasn't me jacking the price up, it was people trying to outbid each other. Radios I purchased new for $125 sold for almost $200.

If you are new to the hobby, one of the "gotchas" is getting frustrated. Since you likely won't have the experience or test equipment to properly deal with a possibly malfunctioning used radio, you can easily go slightly insane with something questionable. Sometimes buying new, even if it is slightly more expensive than used, is well worth the extra cost.


I'm already looking at antennas and so forth for the scanner, so it will be a bit down the road. I have a fair amount of IT experience, but only the Pro-97, and I am ignorant of anything radio. I'm still trying to figure out a decent budget antenna for both scanner and amateur radio. (unless amateur radios can also scan conventional bands). Any recommendations would be greatly accepted.
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Really depends what bands you want to be on. VHF/UHF dual band radios will often scan big chunks of the bands, but they often only do analog, and their scan speeds are not very fast. Usually a scanner is a better tool for that job.

Before you dive into this too far, use your scanner to listen in on the local amateur bands. 144-148MHz and 430-450MHz are often the most commonly used bands for local communications in many areas. Make sure you take time to listen. You may find that some parts of the country are wastelands of little to no amateur radio traffic. No need to blow a bunch of money on radios if there isn't anyone to talk to.

The HF bands can be fun, and you'll find others on there, but the radios and antennas can get big and expensive.

Just look before you leap.
 

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I'm in Moscow, Idaho, about 100 miles south of Spokane, WA. Right on the state line. We have 2 universities within 15 miles, but apart from a couple of hams I knew that have since moved away, the nearest groups are about 100 miles north. I would love to buy new but being retired and on a limited budget, that is not really an option. I'm hoping to find some good used budget radios while I learn all the things I need for the tech license. Meaning I won't be broadcasting, but it gives me something concrete to learn with. As yet, I don't know enough to tell if I want to do shortwave or VHF/UHF. I still have lots and lots to learn. What I am looking for is advice on what would be worth spending the money on and, more important, what to run away from. I forgot to mention In my original post that I am looking for a mobile radio. I really should have mentioned that. There is one communications company in the area and they don't do amateur. All I have are pawn shops and ebay and at least with the local pawnshops I can take it back if it's crap. I hate dealing with Ebay. I'm stuck between my budget and the lack of local retailers.
 

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I'm in Moscow, Idaho, about 100 miles south of Spokane, WA. Right on the state line. We have 2 universities within 15 miles, but apart from a couple of hams I knew that have since moved away, the nearest groups are about 100 miles north. I would love to buy new but being retired and on a limited budget, that is not really an option.

The point I was trying to make, and apparently failed, is that used radios are not always cheaper than new.

The used amateur radio market is truly a bizarre thing. Due to nostalgia, stupidity, or a combination of both, people will way overpay on used radios. There are often times that it would be less expensive to buy new rather than chase the used market, especially on eBay.

I'm hoping to find some good used budget radios while I learn all the things I need for the tech license.

Use the scanner you already have. Listen to local amateur radio traffic and you'll learn a lot. You may discover that the local ham scene is dead and not worth investing in. It's very often the case in more rural areas. No reason to buy a radio to listen to a whole lot of nothing.

If the local ham scene is dead, you may want to look into HF where you can talk statewide, nationwide or worldwide.

Meaning I won't be broadcasting, but it gives me something concrete to learn with. As yet, I don't know enough to tell if I want to do shortwave or VHF/UHF. I still have lots and lots to learn. What I am looking for is advice on what would be worth spending the money on and, more important, what to run away from.

Ham radio is a very large hobby. You need to learn more about the hobby before buying radios. There isn't one radio that will do it all.

Like I said, use the scanner you already have to listen to the 2 meter band (144-148MHz) and the 70 centimeter band (430-450MHz).

I forgot to mention In my original post that I am looking for a mobile radio. I really should have mentioned that. There is one communications company in the area and they don't do amateur. All I have are pawn shops and ebay and at least with the local pawnshops I can take it back if it's crap. I hate dealing with Ebay. I'm stuck between my budget and the lack of local retailers.

Amazon has a good return policy. So do most of the big amateur radio dealers, like HRO.

Tell us what your budget is and what your interests are, and you'll get some better recommendations. This hobby is way too large to do it all with one radio.
 

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If I can buy new, I will. If the new is not much more than the used, I'll buy new. I haven't even started looking at them until I learn more, which is why I asked my question. I'll check the local supply and also look online and see what is there. I have no idea what to look for when I do look for one. What features? Can they replace my '97? What bands should they cover etc.

Thank you, Mmckenna. That gives me many things to look at. I was thinking amateur was all sort of mashed together. HF and VHF/UHF all in the same package as it were. I really enjoyed shortwave listening when I was a kid. If there is no ham community locally, then why bother, is very useful. I had thought that VHF/UHF was quite a long range. 100 miles or more. My Wife likes to listen to the scanner so maybe HF is more what I need to look at. You guys have been such a font of information and help. I really do appreciate it!.

I'm having to wait a month or two to get an external antenna to find out if I have any local hams.


My area is still analog, and the '97 does do a decent job of monitoring local traffic. I have tried to scan from the rig I have in my mobile home (sort car antenna and a long wire across the living room ceiling. (White collar red neck here) but I can't even get Wx inside. I only have decent reception (I assume it's descent) when I out in the car with the short antenna on the roof. I get more and better reception then. I got a sheriff's car from about 30 miles away under almost ideal line of site the other day from my car. From listening inside my home, I haven't heard any local traffic on the amateur freqs, but I haven't scanned that for very long. Medical insurance deductibles take a lot of money for January and February, which is one reason I'm looking at budget. I have no idea what mobile receivers cost new, but I am hazarding a guess that with a little work, I can come up with about $300.00
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If I can buy new, I will. If the new is not much more than the used, I'll buy new. I haven't even started looking at them until I learn more, which is why I asked my question. I'll check the local supply and also look online and see what is there. I have no idea what to look for when I do look for one. What features? Can they replace my '97? What bands should they cover etc.

Don't look at or buy radios yet.
That is a common "soon to be" ham mistake. Without understanding how huge this hobby is, buying any radio would be an expensive mistake.


Thank you, Mmckenna. That gives me many things to look at. I was thinking amateur was all sort of mashed together. HF and VHF/UHF all in the same package as it were. I really enjoyed shortwave listening when I was a kid. If there is no ham community locally, then why bother, is very useful. I had thought that VHF/UHF was quite a long range. 100 miles or more. My Wife likes to listen to the scanner so maybe HF is more what I need to look at. You guys have been such a font of information and help. I really do appreciate it!.

Listen with your scanner and see what you hear. VHF/UHF can have a lot of range if there are repeaters in your area. Some ham repeaters are linked to the internet, so hearing users from all over the world is a possibility IF there is such a repeater in your area.

My first radio was a VHF/UHF hand held. While it let me make a few contacts and talk through a few repeaters, ultimately I realized I needed a mobile radio. That gave me more capability.

I've owned a lot of different radios over the years. I tend to play with something for a while, then my interests change. I'm not very active right now, but have been playing with some HF stuff at work, which is raising my interests in those bands again.

I'm having to wait a month or two to get an external antenna to find out if I have any local hams.


That'll work well, but don't be surprised if you do not hear a lot of ham radio traffic. The bands have been quite in some areas of the country, interests ebbs and flows.

My area is still analog, and the '97 does do a decent job of monitoring local traffic. I have tried to scan from the rig I have in my mobile home (sort car antenna and a long wire across the living room ceiling. (White collar red neck here) but I can't even get Wx inside. I only have decent reception (I assume it's descent) when I out in the car with the short antenna on the roof. I get more and better reception then. I got a sheriff's car from about 30 miles away under almost ideal line of site the other day from my car. From listening inside my home, I haven't heard any local traffic on the amateur freqs, but I haven't scanned that for very long.

Try around commute times. Also, in the evenings some repeaters will have times they have meetings once a week.

Medical insurance deductibles take a lot of money for January and February, which is one reason I'm looking at budget. I have no idea what mobile receivers cost new, but I am hazarding a guess that with a little work, I can come up with about $300.00
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$300 will get you a basic single band mobile from one of the three big amateur radio manufacturers (Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu). You can stretch your dollar farther if you go with the Chinese stuff.

Don't forget your antenna!
Rookie mistake that we often see here: New ham spends $$$ on the fancy radio, then tosses a $15 antenna on the roof and then wants to know why his $$$ radio sounds like $15.
 

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Check out QRZ.Net and E-Ham.net for their forums and feedback about various radios. E-Ham has great reviews for pretty much everything radio related. Check out ARRL for affiliated clubs- you might find one in your area. Since you are a premium subscriber on RR you can search the Amateur Radio database by zip code and locate hams in your area.

The Icom 7300 is a very popular HF radio that checks a lot of boxes for many HAMS. But do your research before pulling the trigger.

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I'm in Moscow, Idaho, about 100 miles south of Spokane, WA. Right on the state line. We have 2 universities within 15 miles, but apart from a couple of hams I knew that have since moved away, the nearest groups are about 100 miles north. I would love to buy new but being retired and on a limited budget, that is not really an option. I'm hoping to find some good used budget radios while I learn all the things I need for the tech license. Meaning I won't be broadcasting, but it gives me something concrete to learn with. As yet, I don't know enough to tell if I want to do shortwave or VHF/UHF. I still have lots and lots to learn. What I am looking for is advice on what would be worth spending the money on and, more important, what to run away from. I forgot to mention In my original post that I am looking for a mobile radio. I really should have mentioned that. There is one communications company in the area and they don't do amateur. All I have are pawn shops and ebay and at least with the local pawnshops I can take it back if it's crap. I hate dealing with Ebay. I'm stuck between my budget and the lack of local retailers.
Broadcastify has audio from some repeaters. Also Hoseline allows you to listen, as well. It might give you an idea if you want to go the DMR route. Either way, it's all good.
 

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There are two ham repeaters in the Moscow, ID area: Latah County, Idaho (ID) Amateur Radio

I would tune a scanner or SDR to those frequencies to see how much activity there is on VHF/UHF. As @K3HY mentioned, digital radio (like DMR) expands your options beyond your local area. It's not for everyone, but it's something to consider too.
 

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So many things to reply too. Mmckenna. I won't be buying anything except for that antenna, and that is for my radio shack pro-97 scanner. I think at this point just look around and see what costs are and if basic hardware is within our budget. The '97 does have a dedicated search for amateur bands.

After all the replies here, I now know I have to do much more research. So far, I've not heard any other hams around her, but I understand the area has 3 active repeaters.


Since I have no idea what repeaters are, I don't know why they are important. I found some amateur radio for dummies videos and websites online, and I am working my way through them, so I hope to get through the absolute basics today if the rain doesn't wash us away. I would much rather not buy chinese if I can avoid it. I would much rather buy made in America. With our physical location being on the side of a hill with maybe 100 foot berms to the north and south and the hill going way up west of us with only the east clear, I am concerned about what I would need antenna wise for HF vs VHF/UHF. Again. Lots of learning to do. If I need to spend a lot of money on the antenna, that might make it all moot.

Trap5858. QRZ.Net seems to be down and E-Ham.net tried to change my search engine to spyware. ARRL.com now bookmarked. I'll look at the Icom 7300.

K3hy. Broadcastify seems to be just hardware for sale. Did I miss something? I've got Hoseline open to be checked out.

N0xvz. I did a Google and got two different answers for how many repeaters there are locally.


As I don't know what they are for yet I have more reading/viewing to do.

Nd5y. Thank you for the correction. Bookmarked.

Thank you all. I have learned so much and now have an idea of what I need to learn to ask intelligent questions and not make expensive mistakes.
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QRZ.Net seems to be down and E-Ham.net tried to change my search engine to spyware. ARRL.com now bookmarked.

Be careful with sites like QRZ and E-Ham, as well as this site (radioreference). Hams can be a very opinionated lot of people and you'll get a lot of input, not all of it good. You need to have good filters between your ears.
 

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Thank you, Mmckenna. I'm also a shooter and reloader. I've been on a few forums over the years and have developed a few skills, lol. Trap5858. I looked around and saw that the remarks about used being almost as much or more than new was oh so true. I'm afraid around $1k would be far out of my budget. I looked at the catalog, and it looked like it was a launch console for SpaceX. Kind of scary. Back to the amateur radio for dummies sites.
 
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Thank you nd5y. The for dummies video I was watching covered it about the same time I got the notification of your message. I thought that is what they were, but I wanted to be sure. I did read it as well. Can't have too much knowledge.
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DMR is where a lot of action is. You can get a DMR hotspot using Pi-Star firmware for $100 or less and a cheap CCR and be talking with 100s of hams world-wide in no time. The hotspots use the Internet, but they are all licensed hams and the feel of the thing is like local repeater talk. The two most popular DMR networks are Brandmeister and TGIF. Yaesu Fusion WIRES-2 network is another option, but more expensive and a lot less activity. Allstar, IRLP and Echolink are other options.

 
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Thank you nd5y. The for dummies video I was watching covered it about the same time I got the notification of your message. I thought that is what they were, but I wanted to be sure. I did read it as well. Can't have too much knowledge.
Scotty.
I strongly recommend Dave Casler's (KE0OG) "Ask Dave" videos. He also has videos that cover all three license courses (following the ARRL book).

I've known Dave since we were teenagers in California. He's in Colorado now. Dave's videos are factual and don't have the annoying, caffeine-driven, in your face, style of some other hamcentric videos.

 

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Thank you, Bill4long. As soon as I figure out what you said I'll look into it, lol.
Ladn. Just went and subscribed to his channel. I tried one of the technician online practice tests. I did ok as long as it wasn't an electronics or antenna question. So much to learn. So little brain left.
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