GRE PSR-500 Post Release Thread

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swest90 said:
20 lists for 1800 objects, is around 70-90 objects per list (knowing that each system will take up objects also), that leaves you NO option to quickly toggle between agencies or users, you have to go locking/unlocking things which is a real pain when you are in a hurry.
Although I would also like to see more scanlists and maybe even sub-scanlists, it's not as bad as you seem to put it to lock and unlock stuff "in a hurry". Or to put it another way, not that far off or different than trying to unlock stuff on the Unidens by pressing "." 1 + 1, "." 1 + 2", "." 1 + 3, etc.

I have several systems assigned to some scanlists. The way I lock and unlock stuff fairly quick is by:

Press PGM, EDIT, TSYS. Now press the Up/Down arrows to scroll through your systems and press L/OUT key to lock/unlock any systems.

That combined with Temp Lockout provides a decent way to narrow your monitoring in certain situations.

BTW, how easy and flexible is it to program one of the "real" radios? How easy is it to lock and unlock stuff on it? Some of them can only be program with a computer unless they support the "FPP" option I thought. So that kind of gets in the way when you need to monitor something "in a hurry"? Just wondering.... ;)
 

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diskmonger said:
I'm not sure how anyone can sit and compare their PSR-500 to a Motorola XTS3000 or XTS5000. Give me a break...

detroit780 said:
Amazing isn't it that a $3,500 Motorola radio designed for 700MHz and 800MHz ONLY sounds better than a $500 scanner designed for a much broader frequency range.

I compared this unit to the other scanners, I just mention the Motorola units to show the possibility, calm down. I tested on VHF and UHF, I do not have any 800mhz equipment nor a license for that band. Perhaps new at their inflated prices to government and business they cost $3,500+, but only one of mine has cost over $500 on the used market. But this is besides the point.


detroit780 said:
The PSR 500 sounds better than any scanner I have used, it's easy to use, 1800 objects seems to work well. Althought in Michigan you can't fit every talk group and every tower into 1,800 objects. But then again why would you need to? You aren't going to receive all of the talk groups and all of the towers every day. Programming the radio by region is a simple work around. Then as I drive across the state (Not that I do it everyday, although I do drive across 2 counties each day) in seconds I can bring up the next v-folder. Not much more work than turning off a bank or remembering which bank I want turned off or on.

And you have missed my point entirely. I do NOT want to program in every talk group in the system, I want to be able to logically group and subgroup the channels/talkgroups. I want to be able to enable/disable cities and their individual departments (police/fire/ems/other) with as few keystrokes as possible. I do not want half-ass work arounds, the equipment should be built and engineered properly in the first place. In regard to the vfolders, once again I should not have to choose between listening to one county or another in a vfolder, perhaps I want to listen to both! what a concept.. The vfolders are useful for traveling to distant areas, but shouldn't have to be used in normal day to day use.


diskmonger said:
Also, 1600 objects is a ton of memories. Throw the V-Folder thing in there and it's even better.
And 640K was 'a ton of memory' to some people also.. 1600-1800 objects is paltry..

detroit780 said:
At this point I would say the excitement for the PSR-500 grows each day I use it. No point in bashing it or GRE in here. Maybe you'd get more applause in the Motorola or Uniden forum.

I am not 'bashing' anything nor looking for applause, I am expressing my opinions regarding a product I purchased, in an effort to improve future designs. I admit there are quite a few things that are vastly improved, especially for a GRE unit, and it was nice to see them issue quick firmware updates after the release.

detroit780 said:
Since you are so disappointed in your radio why not post it for sale I'm sure it will be snapped up quickly. In fact if you have 7 or 8 of them you should be able to purchase a new Motorola to replace them all.

You're concern is touching, and in fact this was almost $50 more than any of my xts3k's have run.

kikito said:
If you can program an XTS5000 for me to monitor our VHF P25 trunked system, I'll be more than happy to pay for everything including your time.

But that's very unlikely that you'll be able to do that....

BTW, how easy and flexible is it to program one of the "real" radios? How easy is it to lock and unlock stuff on it? Some of them can only be program with a computer unless they support the "FPP" option I thought. So that kind of gets in the way when you need to monitor something "in a hurry"? Just wondering....

Able, absolutely, willing? not a chance in hell. But I am glad to hear that it solved problems you were having with missing calls. I am not against this scanner, I just had expected a larger step forward. Regarding a 'real' radio, you simply add or remove that channel from the scan list with which ever button you have programmed for that option. I have a bunch of Spectras that are sitting here with op-select scan lists also, hold the scan button, scroll through and select pri or non-priority on the scan list. You are limited however by the bounds of the zone, usually 16.
 
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swest90 said:
I compared this unit to the other scanners, I just mention the Motorola units to show the possibility, calm down. I tested on VHF and UHF, I do not have any 800mhz equipment nor a license for that band. Perhaps new at their inflated prices to government and business they cost $3,500+, but only one of mine has cost over $500 on the used market. But this is besides the point.

Yep, USED Motorola a fair comparison. As far as inflated business or government pricing goes, try to purchase one as a private citizen brand new and see what inflated really means. But if you want to be fair then I guess the price would be more like $17,000. You'd have to purchase a VHF, UHF, 800MHz and 900MHz unit as well as each model again in EDACS, APCO-25, LTR and Motorola VHF, UHF, 800 and 900MHZ models, Oh yea do the same for EDACS and LTR. But this is besides your point, which is?



And you have missed my point entirely. I do NOT want to program in every talk group in the system, I want to be able to logically group and subgroup the channels/talkgroups. I want to be able to enable/disable cities and their individual departments (police/fire/ems/other) with as few keystrokes as possible. I do not want half-ass work arounds, the equipment should be built and engineered properly in the first place. In regard to the vfolders, once again I should not have to choose between listening to one county or another in a vfolder, perhaps I want to listen to both! what a concept.. The vfolders are useful for traveling to distant areas, but shouldn't have to be used in normal day to day use.

The V-Folders work great for day to day use. You just need to understand them and how to use them. But that's besides the point.



And 640K was 'a ton of memory' to some people also.. 1600-1800 objects is paltry..

I guess I'll have to see that OTHER scanner that has more then 1,800 objects. Oh am I bad this is the ONLY scanner that uses objects. I guess we missed the point here.



I am not 'bashing' anything nor looking for applause, I am expressing my opinions regarding a product I purchased, in an effort to improve future designs. I admit there are quite a few things that are vastly improved, especially for a GRE unit, and it was nice to see them issue quick firmware updates after the release.

Not bashing please read you not bashing comment above. (especially for a GRE unit) nLooks like bashing, sounds like bashing, smells like bashing. I guess your point isn't clear.



You're concern is touching, and in fact this was almost $50 more than any of my xts3k's have run.

Again a used radio that covers a very small portion of what the PSR-500 does. Again we miss the point.

Sounds like you're pretty happy with your single band Motorola so that is super. Motorola makes great radio's. By the way try purchasing a Motorola and entering several thousand talk groups, better yet try scanning even 100 at once. Just a thought.



Able, absolutely, willing? not a chance in hell. But I am glad to hear that it solved problems you were having with missing calls. I am not against this scanner, I just had expected a larger step forward. Regarding a 'real' radio, you simply add or remove that channel from the scan list with which ever button you have programmed for that option. I have a bunch of Spectras that are sitting here with op-select scan lists also, hold the scan button, scroll through and select pri or non-priority on the scan list. You are limited however by the bounds of the zone, usually 16.

Yep just add a few talk groups to your scan list on the "Real Radio" Let's see it do more than 256 talk groups? How about even 256 all at once without changing zones? Your limited to 16 so I am not seeing the point here either. 16 is better than 1,800?
 

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kikito said:
I have several systems assigned to some scanlists. The way I lock and unlock stuff fairly quick is by:

Press PGM, EDIT, TSYS. Now press the Up/Down arrows to scroll through your systems and press L/OUT key to lock/unlock any systems.
If you really want to do it "quickly", put your TSYS objects in the first few Object IDs. Then all you have to do to toggle a TSYS on/off is:
MAN 1 ENT L/OUT
(presuming the desired TSYS is object ID 0001).
 

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Good tip, Don.

I will agree the case of the PSR-500 SHOULD be more robust at this price point. The build quality of the 396 is superior, hands-down.

Todd/Indy
 

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So in one hand you say:

swest90 said:
And you have missed my point entirely. I do NOT want to program in every talk group in the system, I want to be able to logically group and subgroup the channels/talkgroups. I want to be able to enable/disable cities and their individual departments (police/fire/ems/other) with as few keystrokes as possible.
And on the other hand:

swest90 said:
1600-1800 objects is paltry..
It sounds like you basically don't need much memory but you want more ways to "split" what you listen to. Well, I kind of ran into the opposite with the BCD396T. One BIG limitation for me is the Uniden only allowing up to 200 talkgroups per system. And within that system you can have up to 20 groups. So no matter how I split it, I still get cramped by the talkgroup limit.

BTW, I have programmed our big statewide system with 300+ talkgroups (and growing), many business LMRs, many conventional frequencies, several custom searches and spectrum sweeps and I still have over 70% left of free memory. So 1800 objects is not as "paltry" as it may seem.
 

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kikito said:
So 1800 objects is not as "paltry" as it may seem.

I'm finding it a little bit limiting, now that I can easily support more than a couple hundred talkgroups, I'm finding myself wanting to include about all 1200 talkgroups for the Ohio MARCS system. Then I will also need to support about 300 talkgroups for our County P25 system. At that point I'm almost out of room and have about 400-500 more conventional frequencies that I need to include. At this point I'm just shaving off talkgroups from the state system that I'd be less likely to hear. Both methods (Uniden vs GRE) has their ups and downs, I'm just finding myself hitting the limit faster with the GRE (mostly due to the unlimited talkgroup feature/trade-off).

I would have liked it better if they kept the radio at only 10 V-Scanners and could have doubled the number of available objects. Maybe 'number of V-Scanners' could be a super custom expert setting?

But work on better P25 CPQSK simulcast system reception first.
 

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kikito said:
BTW, I have programmed our big statewide system with 300+ talkgroups (and growing), many business LMRs, many conventional frequencies, several custom searches and spectrum sweeps and I still have over 70% left of free memory. So 1800 objects is not as "paltry" as it may seem.
Yeah, but you live in AK ;)

For me, the 20 scan lists, 1852 objects, and ability to easily enable/disable trunking systems is working out just fine. So far, I have 8 systems programmed, ~400 talkgroups, 32 CONV objects, and a few "searches". The talkgroups are increasing by the hour as Win500 snags them from Wildcards.

I've still only used about 25% of the radio's memory space. I figure I might get up to 40%, if I keep things like garbage collector and taxi cab TGRPs.
 

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DonS said:
Yeah, but you live in AK ;)
That's true, those darn polar bears don't seem to use their trunked systems much! ;)


DonS said:
I've still only used about 25% of the radio's memory space. I figure I might get up to 40%, if I keep things like garbage collector and taxi cab TGRPs.
And I think that's what it comes down to. Narrowing down stuff to what you really monitor and not try to put everything in there for the sake of having it. Even in Alaska ;), I can find stuff to cram into the scanner that will use more than 70% of the memory like I had in my Uniden at one time. Well, I always find out that I only listen to about 10% of that on a regular basis. Plus, I also find that the more stuff you scan, the more you miss in general.

But once again, YMMV
 

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Monitoring Techniques

I often have the Uniden Bearcat BCD996T scanning and use the FT-8800 to simultaneously monitor two frequencies. That has worked out pretty well in a number of cases. For some events I have even used some of my Motorola portables to monitor additional channels.
 

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Any Help on PSR500 Trunking?

I've been trying for 2 weeks to get my GRE to work on 2 different trunking systems in my area. Both are Motorola Type 2, I imported several different times in PSR Edit and Win500 from radioreference.com data to no avail. Tried 1.1 FW and CPU. Tried entering the frequencies and talkgroups manually, still only get the "T" showing it's picking it up but never opens up on activity.
Any suggestions or do I have a hardware problem? Works great on Conventional.
Don't have too much hair left to pull out!

Tim
 

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RandomK said:
I've been trying for 2 weeks to get my GRE to work on 2 different trunking systems in my area. Both are Motorola Type 2, I imported several different times in PSR Edit and Win500 from radioreference.com data to no avail. Tried 1.1 FW and CPU. Tried entering the frequencies and talkgroups manually, still only get the "T" showing it's picking it up but never opens up on activity.
Any suggestions or do I have a hardware problem? Works great on Conventional.
Don't have too much hair left to pull out!

Tim

Do you have a *Wildcard* TG programmed? If programmed stuff into scanlists, are they enabled and unlocked?
 

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Unlock it, and or better yet, why didn't you import talkgroups for the two systems when you did the Web Import?
 

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fmon said:
Unlock it, and or better yet, why didn't you import talkgroups for the two systems when you did the Web Import?

All Talkgroup IDs were imported and not locked out.
All listed frequencies were imported with the control freq moved to the top of the list.
System Type - Motorola 800/900
Digital AGC and Super Track checked.
Trunking Tables set to normal.
Multi Site Mode - Off
Presets - Type II

This one is Reading Pennsylvania

Tim
 

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Don't know Tim,

I just imported the system into both softwares and got the 6 freqs and 72 TG's in scanlist 1. Should work other then the few PD encrypted.
 
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