Greater Cleveland Radio Communication Network

[Steveofcleve]

Meant to say 'ops' not tops. The auto correct function on my tablet is annoying along with my daily senior moment. Normal operational conversation within the group.

 

[budevans]

Meant to say 'ops' not tops. The auto correct function on my tablet is annoying along with my daily senior moment. Normal operational conversation within the group.

Yeah, I've had auto correct bite me a few times.

Back to TG56249 it's right in the middle of a group of TG's related to Park Maintenance and Forestry. Next time you hear it, look for the radio id, I'd bet it's 1823XXX.

 

[budevans]

TG56172 & TG56173

Been hearing mostly encrypted traffic on both TG56172 & TG56173 for the last couple of days.

Today heard clear traffic regarding the configuration of the consoles. The console radio id for TG56172 is 1039. The radio id for the console for TG56173 is 1040. The radio id's for the field units testing with both TG's is 1848XXX.

Since they are encrypted, don't know how much we'll be able to find out.

 

[wa8pyr]

Today heard clear traffic regarding the configuration of the consoles. The console radio id for TG56172 is 1039. The radio id for the console for TG56173 is 1040. The radio id's for the field units testing with both TG's is 1848XXX.

One of the advantages of the new systems is that, unlike the older Motorola Type II systems, each directly-connected console only has a single radio ID, instead of one ID per talkgroup and operator position.

In other words, a dispatch office with five operator positions and 100 talkgroups per position would consume 500 radio IDs. When departments really become console ID hogs and start "loading" each operator position with the entire radio template of 300 talkgroups, radio IDs get short very, very quickly.

Single ID per operator position is the way to go. . . finally.

 

[radios4bill]

04/17/13 New License Issued.

YP WQRC801
CLEVELAND, CITY OF
[Applicant is the City of Cleveland. Radios will be used to coordinate personnel and activities.]
Control Point 1 - 1300 Lakeside Ave., Cleveland OH 216-664-3259
(link)
04/17/2013 License Issued
Special Temporary Authority expires 10/26/2013
2 - 9621 York Alpha Drive, North Royalton (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Mast] (map)
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1 - 2800 Ranney Parkway, Westlake (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Monopole] (map)
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3 - 18900 Boston Road, Strongsville (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Monopole] (map)
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4 - 6800 Durham Road (#307321), Bedford (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Monopole] (map)
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5 - 7560 Chagrin Rd, Chagrin Falls (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Monopole] (map)
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7 - 2001 Payne Ave, Cleveland (CUYAHOGA) OH [Structure: Monopole] (map)
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[budevans]

WQRC801

The WQRC801 license with 6 sites fills out the original request from last year for a total of 14 sites. The North Royalton and Strongsville additions combined with the existing Airport site will provide coverage to allow the SWRCN testing to begin.

 

[Steveofcleve]

56548

Hearing encrypted activity on Tg 56548 radio id 187xxxxx. Could this be in the range of Cleveland Public Safety units?

 

[radios4bill]

56548

Cuyahoga County protective services channel 2

 

[budevans]

TG56548

Cuyahoga County protective services channel 2

I don't see TG56548 listed in the db. If you are sure it's County Protective Services CH2, could you please submit it to the db.

Thanks.

 

[Steveofcleve]

56186

Activity on Tg 56186 radio id 1023. Have not determined who it is.

 

[Steveofcleve]

Tg 56247

Hearing roadwork talk on tg56247 radio id 182xxxxx. Could be Cleveland Service (roads) taking care of our lovely potholes.

 

[a388sig2]

Been hearing mostly encrypted traffic on both TG56172 & TG56173 for the last couple of days.

Today heard clear traffic regarding the configuration of the consoles. The console radio id for TG56172 is 1039. The radio id for the console for TG56173 is 1040. The radio id's for the field units testing with both TG's is 1848XXX.

Since they are encrypted, don't know how much we'll be able to find out.

One of the advantages of the new systems is that, unlike the older Motorola Type II systems, each directly-connected console only has a single radio ID, instead of one ID per talkgroup and operator position.

In other words, a dispatch office with five operator positions and 100 talkgroups per position would consume 500 radio IDs. When departments really become console ID hogs and start "loading" each operator position with the entire radio template of 300 talkgroups, radio IDs get short very, very quickly.

Single ID per operator position is the way to go. . . finally.

These talkgroups still fall within the Water Department/Division of Water talkgroup numbering system, don't they?

 

[budevans]

TG56172, TG56173 and TG56174

These talkgroups still fall within the Water Department/Division of Water talkgroup numbering system, don't they?

If I'm not mistaken, Sewers & Drains are part of the Pollution Control Department not the Water Department . See below.

Group - Dept............. Radio ID's......Talk Group(s)

Sewers & Drains........1847..............TG56168 & TG56169

Unknown (encrypted)..1848..............TG56172, TG56173 & TG56174

Water Department......1849..............TG56181 - TG56189

Different Radio ID's and TG ranges. .

 

[a388sig2]

If I'm not mistaken, Sewers & Drains are part of the Pollution Control Department not the Water Department . See below.

Group - Dept............. Radio ID's......Talk Group(s)

Sewers & Drains........1847..............TG56168 & TG56169

Unknown (encrypted)..1848..............TG56172, TG56173 & TG56174

Water Department......1849..............TG56181 - TG56189

Different Radio ID's and TG ranges. .

With respect to TG56172 does Water have their own police?

 

[budevans]

With respect to TG56172 does Water have their own police?

I've never heard of a water department police force. The Water department does have inspectors who can issue, deny or revoke permits. But their coms are in the clear.

If you are looking for some sort of organizational grouping. Water, Water Pollution Control (Sewers&Drains) and Cleveland Public Power (CPP) are the three divisions that make up the Public Utilities Department.

Here's the listing (I copied and pasted) from the Cleveland Departments web page.

•Public Utilities:
Water
Water Pollution Control
Cleveland Public Power (CPP)

That would make Cleveland Public Power the missing group. But ask your self, why would you encrypt CPP coms?

Unless someone who works for or with the city regarding radio's identifies the three encrypted TG's in question, we probably won't ever know.

But they don't appear to be Water or Pollution Control, wrong radio ID's.

 

[brpete2]

Bud my brother works for the City of Cleveland not in public safety but the utilites dept does have its own police force

 

[budevans]

Bud my brother works for the City of Cleveland not in public safety but the utilites dept does have its own police force

Thanks for your response. But...Seriously!

Is your brother sure it's a Utilities Department Police force, not a Security force (aka security guards for facilities and equipment)?

I know this isn't conclusive, when I read your reply I did a search on the Cleveland website. I didn't find any references to a Public Utilities Police Force. The closest I came was the following:

The Division of Radio Communication: responsible for the maintainance of the City's 800 MHz system in a reliable condition suitable for use by all City divisions including Police, Fire and EMS.

That's it, nothing on the Water Department, Pollution Controls or CPP or sites either.

Send me a PM if you have any additional info, I don't want to take up space on this forum with a non radio topic. If it comes to light that there is a Public Utilities Police Force, then we can add it to the list of possible users of the three encrypted TG's that are in question.

 

[a388sig2]

Thanks for your response. But...Seriously!

Is your brother sure it's a Utilities Department Police force, not a Security force (aka security guards for facilities and equipment)?

I know this isn't conclusive, when I read your reply I did a search on the Cleveland website. I didn't find any references to a Public Utilities Police Force. The closest I came was the following:

The Division of Radio Communication: responsible for the maintainance of the City's 800 MHz system in a reliable condition suitable for use by all City divisions including Police, Fire and EMS.

That's it, nothing on the Water Department, Pollution Controls or CPP or sites either.

Send me a PM if you have any additional info, I don't want to take up space on this forum with a non radio topic. If it comes to light that there is a Public Utilities Police Force, then we can add it to the list of possible users of the three encrypted TG's that are in question.

Is the city's radio system and Division of Radio Communication bound by Ohio's Sunshine or open records law?

Can a citizen request a copy of, or to view/inspect their template for their radio system layout, talkgroup lists, or even sue them for it (as we know Cleveland rarely provides even the most basic citizen requests)?

 

[kf8yk]

Is the city's radio system and Division of Radio Communication bound by Ohio's Sunshine or open records law?

Can a citizen request a copy of, or to view/inspect their template for their radio system layout, talkgroup lists, or even sue them for it (as we know Cleveland rarely provides even the most basic citizen requests)?

You can request it, but Cleveland would most likely claim those records are exempt from disclosure as part of a communications system infrastructure record, Ohio R.C. 149.433(A)(2)

Your only recourse if Cleveland refused to furnish those records would be to file an injunction request with the court.

 

[davidzimmerman]

cleveland water utilities POLICE

Monitor Talkgroup 56188 this is Utilities Police i use to monitor them on the old system they do all kinds of patrols and check the radio towers.I knew one few years ago they had guns and i think are Police Officers just a different department of the city.