Never had a chance to try one. I ordered one years ago. By the time it got to me, it was totally destroyed. It is so flimsy, you wouldn't believe it! Added to that, it's not properly shipped in a way to prevent damage. I contacted Grove as to getting a replacement. Much to my surprise, they were not willing to help in any way, and simply told me to buy a new one. I bought a new one, a different one, from someone else.