I guess I just got frustrated. I actually read up on propagation, which I knew nothing about, and learned a bunch, thanks to you guys in the forum. I have been trying different configs, and each seems to do different things. I guess I just have alot to learn. I am used to getting a scanner, plugging it in and going......I gotta learn a bit more patience. I re-grounded the box on my par...stepped back...had a beer... and started listening to HurricaneNet on 12325 USB....y'all were right. Dont know if thats a good indication on my config this time...I live about 15 miles northwest of Philly...but seemed to pick up quite a bit...thanks for all your help and I will keep you posted!!