ragtime88
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... is TIME? Search WI statutes for "transaction information for the management of enforcement." A 35 year old bizarre acronym.
Half of what you hear... ?
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What is so bizarre about it? It's a computer system for law enforcement that some geek named "TIME" when it was created.
Big deal.
Big deal.
ragtime88
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I think it's interesting that police voice transmission is entry into a computer system, and scanners don't hear the response. Will entry and response soon be invisible to scanners?
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No agency that I work with is using a voice program to do TIME entry...
ragtime88
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Sorry, poorly worded comment perhaps. The officer's voice ("S-SAM, M-MARY, I-IDA,T-TOM, H-HENRY, MALE, WHITE, 10, 14, 82") is being used as input (via the dispatcher who does the actual data entry) into a computer system that retrieves a DMV record, wanted status, ...
In my area, it appears that the computer response is often returned to a computer screen in the officer's car. So, a scanner listener can't hear the response (a few are are vocalized).
Will we be losing, too, the vocalized input -- when the entry information can be directly entered at the car? I suppose this is happening already, just not in Jefferson County?
--G
In my area, it appears that the computer response is often returned to a computer screen in the officer's car. So, a scanner listener can't hear the response (a few are are vocalized).
Will we be losing, too, the vocalized input -- when the entry information can be directly entered at the car? I suppose this is happening already, just not in Jefferson County?
--G
nslt204
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LE in WI has been doing this already for near 20 years if not longer with MDT's, MDC's, etc.
It gets the mundane off the air so it is available when needed for emergency response. A lot of PD's in the Milwaukee are do all of the plates and DLs in the car with the only call to dispatch being they stopped a car with location and brief description.
Milwaukee fire has even been using a system that gets a lot of the mundane stuff off the radio by using SMT's and MXC's
So the change you talk of has been around a long time in many parts of the state and trust me, there is enough good info and exciting stuff on the radio without hearing the Old lady Coolots got a speeding ticket.
It gets the mundane off the air so it is available when needed for emergency response. A lot of PD's in the Milwaukee are do all of the plates and DLs in the car with the only call to dispatch being they stopped a car with location and brief description.
Milwaukee fire has even been using a system that gets a lot of the mundane stuff off the radio by using SMT's and MXC's
So the change you talk of has been around a long time in many parts of the state and trust me, there is enough good info and exciting stuff on the radio without hearing the Old lady Coolots got a speeding ticket.
ragtime88 said:
Jefferson CO has been using computers in cars for quite a few years. I would imagine most data is run via the computer in the squad. I worked there briefly in 1999 and they had MDT's in the cars then. Granted, they were those old ones with the small screens with amber colored letters that were impossible to use. I would imagine by now they would of went to something that is more user friendly.
Where I work now, I run probably 99% of 27's and 28's on the computer. We can cut and paste and save informations directly to our case numbers which is kind of nice. The only time I run stuff over the air is if I don't have time to run it on the computer, computer seems to be running slow or I want something confirmed (ie..I run a plate and it comes back to no vehicle associated with this plate). Or if circumstances are that it's just easier to have dispatch run something for you I'll run it over the air (ie having a bunch of 27's to run).
Personally I like being able to run data in the car instead of running everything though dispatch. I know a lot of people that run every car that they are behind just for curiosity sake. You would be amazed how many cars come back suspended, wrong plates on car, stolen,etc just by running random plates.
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In my area, it appears that the computer response is often returned to a computer screen in the officer's car. So, a scanner listener can't hear the response (a few are are vocalized).
Will we be losing, too, the vocalized input -- when the entry information can be directly entered at the car? I suppose this is happening already, just not in Jefferson County?
--G[/QUOTE]
Where I work now, I run probably 99% of 27's and 28's on the computer. We can cut and paste and save informations directly to our case numbers which is kind of nice. The only time I run stuff over the air is if I don't have time to run it on the computer, computer seems to be running slow or I want something confirmed (ie..I run a plate and it comes back to no vehicle associated with this plate). Or if circumstances are that it's just easier to have dispatch run something for you I'll run it over the air (ie having a bunch of 27's to run).
Personally I like being able to run data in the car instead of running everything though dispatch. I know a lot of people that run every car that they are behind just for curiosity sake. You would be amazed how many cars come back suspended, wrong plates on car, stolen,etc just by running random plates.
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In my area, it appears that the computer response is often returned to a computer screen in the officer's car. So, a scanner listener can't hear the response (a few are are vocalized).
Will we be losing, too, the vocalized input -- when the entry information can be directly entered at the car? I suppose this is happening already, just not in Jefferson County?
--G[/QUOTE]
ragtime88
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...and license plate readers will speed that up. Just read a "myfoxmilwaukee" article about testing automatic plate scanning and data lookups. I'll miss the "restricted to glasses" chatter. 
But, yes, there does seem to be quite a bit more to listen to. Cheers. --G
But, yes, there does seem to be quite a bit more to listen to. Cheers. --G
I get what you are saying now...took the brain a few [days?] to engage. Mobile data in squads is nothing new in the southern and eastern part of the state. Further up north there are still quite a few departments that have no computers, due to the lack of a budget for such things.
ragtime88
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Thanks, all. My wife and I are brand new to scanning, but finding it addictively interesting. Based on what you've said, this thread should be retitled "What you don't hear so much any more..." ?
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How many times have we all heard something like, "I can't log on" or "I'll have to reboot - the MDT is locked up" or "Log me off that call, the computer isn't working again." ?
"Technology" has created a new style of Public Safety officer - a cop, firefighter and computer repair technician all in one. Unfortunately, the balky PC's also are taking valuable time away from actual law enforcement. An officer can't be watching for vehicle defects or speeders when his or her eyes are glued to the monitor reading exactly which blue screen of death has come up this time...
"Technology" has created a new style of Public Safety officer - a cop, firefighter and computer repair technician all in one. Unfortunately, the balky PC's also are taking valuable time away from actual law enforcement. An officer can't be watching for vehicle defects or speeders when his or her eyes are glued to the monitor reading exactly which blue screen of death has come up this time...
kc9fnm
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http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?p=461589#post461589
Deja vu?
Is it really that bad? Technology has created a new style of LIFE. There is a trade off for the conveniences and efficiencies technology affords us. We are willing to put up with a certain amount of “trouble” once in a while for the instant gratification technology usually gives us. Money for new data systems, ruggedized laptops, servers, cad systems, and custom software is approved time and again by every board and committee that deals with budgets. We all know how tight budgets are these days, if these systems are not going to make the process more streamlined and efficient then it gets cut.
What happens when an officers’ squad overheats? They don’t fix it, they aren’t auto mechanics. Same applies for the electronics in the squad. I fix this stuff all the time and I have never gotten a detailed explanation of what an officer did leading up to or what they saw on their “blue screen.” This is because they are NOT computer technicians, they are users. They say “it locks up” or “I can’t log on” and with that to go on I am expected to figure out what the problem is. Many times after fixing said problem I become teacher too. The laptop is a tool. If it breaks ya take it to get fixed. Work goes on.
One more thing. The more an officer can spend in his or her squad, under the watchful eye of John Q public rather than behind a desk doing data entry, the better perception the community as a whole will have on where its tax dollars are going.
I agree that all of us rely too heavily on technology sometimes. It’s how we deal with it when technology works against us. Me…I prefer a B.F.H. or my special 120volt to 9pin serial port tester
Deja vu?
Is it really that bad? Technology has created a new style of LIFE. There is a trade off for the conveniences and efficiencies technology affords us. We are willing to put up with a certain amount of “trouble” once in a while for the instant gratification technology usually gives us. Money for new data systems, ruggedized laptops, servers, cad systems, and custom software is approved time and again by every board and committee that deals with budgets. We all know how tight budgets are these days, if these systems are not going to make the process more streamlined and efficient then it gets cut.
What happens when an officers’ squad overheats? They don’t fix it, they aren’t auto mechanics. Same applies for the electronics in the squad. I fix this stuff all the time and I have never gotten a detailed explanation of what an officer did leading up to or what they saw on their “blue screen.” This is because they are NOT computer technicians, they are users. They say “it locks up” or “I can’t log on” and with that to go on I am expected to figure out what the problem is. Many times after fixing said problem I become teacher too. The laptop is a tool. If it breaks ya take it to get fixed. Work goes on.
One more thing. The more an officer can spend in his or her squad, under the watchful eye of John Q public rather than behind a desk doing data entry, the better perception the community as a whole will have on where its tax dollars are going.
I agree that all of us rely too heavily on technology sometimes. It’s how we deal with it when technology works against us. Me…I prefer a B.F.H. or my special 120volt to 9pin serial port tester
ragtime88 said:
Is that for when you are out in the FireChicken doing egregious things?
(Sorry, had to. Moving on...)
I find it refreshing that most of the mundane stuff isn't on the radio anymore. It's like a paid vacation for me some days, while others it's worse than before computers. Either way, if something "major" is occuring you will hear it on the radio. The computers haven't replaced everything...yet.
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