Bookmark these two sites:any info on and freqs The Happy Camp Complex Klamath National Forest
Isn't that fortunate! The L.A. Country Board of Supervisors can't shove those things down the federal agency's throats. The last time I spoke to someone from L.A. County Fire they were quite angry about politicians prescribing what apparatus they should be using to fight fire. If I was the I.C. on an incident I would rather live with the longer turn around time for retardant. The Pooper Scooper just drops water and not as accurately as helos can.Only if it is L.A. County. They are on contract to them so LACoFD has say on where they go.
Thanks for the info. After the NIFC system was put together and for 20 years or more after, the repeaters did not operate with tones. I don't recall when I saw the first NIFC menu about using tones on the command repeaters, maybe 10-15 years ago. The memo stated that Tones 1-4 would be used. I think the memo said you don't have to use tones, but you can if interference is experienced. On the comm plan you posted I see that Tone 10 is being used. I wonder what the current direction is concerning tone use on the NIFC system is?If your in the area of the Happy Camp Fire and want to monitor the fire, here's the IAP communication plan from 8/31 to 9/1
CALCORD has a RX p.l. of 156.7 now...however most are monitoring companies are leaving it CSQ due to not everyone on the same page. I have a thread on this running currently. Is all about details...If your in the area of the Happy Camp Fire and want to monitor the fire, here's the IAP communication plan from 8/31 to 9/1
yeah those "Cmd 1 and 4" certainly are out of the federal pool. The 172.550 has popped up a few other places as NIFC Command 37, including the King Fire now. Haven't seen 173.0625 anywhere on my chicken scratch notes of years past.Of more importance perhaps is the this incidents assigned Command 2 and 3 correspond to NIFC commands 1 and 8. The other two 173.0625 and 172.5500 don't correspond to anything we've seen before. I wonder if they were drawn from the unassigned federal frequency pool and given a one time authorization for this incident only. Either that or some new commands have been added to the NIFC plan. I would guess they come from the unassigned pool.
Thanks - except for cmd19, those are from my scancal.org website. The kids have kept me at a fast pace of life so the website doesn't have the latest stuff for this season. Someday soon I'll sit down and clean it all up.i also have can you add to this
166.3125 Command 13*
167.9875 Command 20
165.4500 Command 26
165.0125 Command 27
169.36250 Command 19
I would politely disagree that the comm plan has a safety no no. I've been on some very large fires with 9 weeks of work on three fires that exceeded 150,000 acres. The most notable of those was the North Fork fire at Yellowstone National Park and on the Targhee National Forest in 1988 as it was approximately 500,000 acres. All of these large fires involved a multiple command repeaters set up and linked by 400 MHz frequencies. The North Fork Fire had two command nets each with more than one repeater. One net was for use on the east side and one on the west side. The line between the two was defined by assigning nets by Branches.yeah those "Cmd 1 and 4" certainly are out of the federal pool. The 172.550 has popped up a few other places as NIFC Command 37, including the King Fire now. Haven't seen 173.0625 anywhere on my chicken scratch notes of years past.
And I'm a bit frustrated that the COML for that 205 did not use the proper names for those 4 Command channels. That's a safety no-no.
After thinking about this for a couple of days I stand corrected for the portions of my post as shown above. norcalscan is correct when he called a portion of the comm plan as a safety no no. Frequency use and radios in aircraft got me to think about this more. I don't believe the radios in all the incident aircraft are cloned to be incident specific. The logistics of doing so would prevent this. Aircraft used can change during one shift and the aircraft assigned to a fire can change during one shift and especially from day to day. These aircraft are often from different air bases and landing to get a radio cloned would be difficult and greatly affect the the timeliness of their response.I would politely disagree that the comm plan has a safety no no.
No one really looks at the frequencies being used, they just use the channel numbers and maybe the name shown on the comm plan, which is easier and less confusing.
The comm plan shown above is identical with those I saw on incidents during my career and since. This includes using incident assigned names for frequencies, irrespective of their NIFC system name. On some fires I've seen the tactical channels numbered 1-4 with no correlation to NIFC names.