KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Hello I wanted to know if the Harris XG-100P can have an unlimited number of channels per zone like the Motorola APX7000.
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Harris XG-100P Channels per zone
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DisasterGuy
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The XG-100p has both conventional sets and talkgroup sets. It also supports mixing sets into what it calls zones. It supports at least several hundred items per set/zone however this is not done through a continuous operating dial. Instead you have a 16 position selector knob and an A/B/C switch. If you exceed 48 items in the set you then use a menu operation to get to 49-96, 97-144, etc.
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Thank you for helping me out with this. So what I can understand it can have over 144 channels or more per set or zone.
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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In a P25 phase two trunking system can you have conventional P25 in the same zone as the Phase 2 system?
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Is one set or zone called the Mission Plan? When you have over a 100 channels per zone that one zone is called the Mission plan right. Can you mixed UHF and VHF in one zone? If someone can help me understand please.
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I can answer your first question, you can have up to 1024 unique frequencies in a system. There are zones in the Unity radios but they are not the same as Moto. Systems would be the equivalent to a Moto Zone i believe.
No idea on the Phase2 question, that would probably end up being a try-it-and-see test. I don't have one in front of me to try it with and the documentation doesn't really mention one way or the other. I'd suggest hitting the RPM helpfile hard and see what you can pull out of there, they have done a great job explaining just about every feature and how to implement it in the software.
Mission plans are entire personalities that can be changed at-will from the radios menu. You can have up to 10 mission plans, meaning your theoretical max frequencies goes up to 10,240 if you spread them over each one. But you can only operate one at a time.
Hope that helps some.
No idea on the Phase2 question, that would probably end up being a try-it-and-see test. I don't have one in front of me to try it with and the documentation doesn't really mention one way or the other. I'd suggest hitting the RPM helpfile hard and see what you can pull out of there, they have done a great job explaining just about every feature and how to implement it in the software.
Mission plans are entire personalities that can be changed at-will from the radios menu. You can have up to 10 mission plans, meaning your theoretical max frequencies goes up to 10,240 if you spread them over each one. But you can only operate one at a time.
Hope that helps some.
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Thank you for the help. By 1024 unique frequencies do mean it can mix UHF and VHF freqs in one system. I have UHF in one set and VHF in anther and 800MHz in anther. I am so more used to Motorola radios and how they work than Harris radios.
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Yes, you can program the sets up with any frequencies in the spectrum that it covers. Trunking systems are separate but talkgroups can be mixed in with conventional in Zones.
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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So you can have a UHF freq with a trunking system or do mean you can have a conventional 800MHz freq next to the trunking system.
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Pretty much any combination you want as far as i know!
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Thats neat thank you for answering all my questions.You have been a real help.If I think of anymore I will ask so far I think I am good right now. I can make a set of Federal Government VHF and UHF freqs in one set.
KampingAnthony1AolCo
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So I can have this for an example.
Federal Government:
Selector A:
406.700 P25
169.575 P25
408.2125 P25
so on and so on.
Is that what it would look like?
Federal Government:
Selector A:
406.700 P25
169.575 P25
408.2125 P25
so on and so on.
Is that what it would look like?
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Yep, that is the gist of it!
In Harris software, you have Conventional Sets and Group Sets for conventional frequencies and trunked groups respectively. Each one is tied to its own System in the radio. A system is just a set of parameters that define either the conventional set or the trunking system.
Conventional sets (in the Unity) can be any frequency the radio supports in any order. So you can have what your list shows plus some 7/800Mhz too if you want.
Group sets only contain GIDs for the trunked system defined by the system. It can't have any conventional sets in it.
Zones are unique in that they allow you to pull conventional sets and groups sets together to make a Zone list. So you would define all your conventional and group sets, then pluck from those lists to make a Zone. The Zone list is what the knob on the top of the radio actually scrolls thru, so because of that, you can have a P25 group right next to a conventional channel and another group from a different system next to that. How well does it scan like that? I have no idea, but I can't imagine it would work all the well considering the time it takes to scan the conventional channel, find and lock onto the P25 control channel, listen for a bit and then move on to another conv channel. But your mileage may vary, depends on how you set it up!
Hope that is a more thorough explanation.
In Harris software, you have Conventional Sets and Group Sets for conventional frequencies and trunked groups respectively. Each one is tied to its own System in the radio. A system is just a set of parameters that define either the conventional set or the trunking system.
Conventional sets (in the Unity) can be any frequency the radio supports in any order. So you can have what your list shows plus some 7/800Mhz too if you want.
Group sets only contain GIDs for the trunked system defined by the system. It can't have any conventional sets in it.
Zones are unique in that they allow you to pull conventional sets and groups sets together to make a Zone list. So you would define all your conventional and group sets, then pluck from those lists to make a Zone. The Zone list is what the knob on the top of the radio actually scrolls thru, so because of that, you can have a P25 group right next to a conventional channel and another group from a different system next to that. How well does it scan like that? I have no idea, but I can't imagine it would work all the well considering the time it takes to scan the conventional channel, find and lock onto the P25 control channel, listen for a bit and then move on to another conv channel. But your mileage may vary, depends on how you set it up!
Hope that is a more thorough explanation.
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DisasterGuy
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As mentioned, zones let you pick anything already in the mission plan and put it in a single spot.
If you want to mix conventional analog and conventional P25 in the same system, you will want to put all those frequencies into a single Conventional P25 set and simply mark the analog frequencies as such.
Also as mentioned previously, mission plans are nothing but additional personalities that the radio can store. For >75% of applications there is no need to have more than one mission plan.
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If you want to mix conventional analog and conventional P25 in the same system, you will want to put all those frequencies into a single Conventional P25 set and simply mark the analog frequencies as such.
Also as mentioned previously, mission plans are nothing but additional personalities that the radio can store. For >75% of applications there is no need to have more than one mission plan.
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KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Thank you DisasterGuy also for the help and helping me better understand the radio. Thank you both for the help.
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KampingAnthony1AolCo
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Do you mean like this but with conventional UHF and VHF still in one set.
Federal Government:
Selector A:
406.700 P25
169.575 P25
408.2125 P25
408.8125 P25
461.325 114 DPL
460.050 100.0 PL
460.250 173.8 PL
460.325 100.0 PL
154.145 100.0 PL
Do you mean like this?
DisasterGuy
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Yes, you could include all of them in a single P25 Conventional Set. You would just kit the check box to make each analog freq analog.
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KampingAnthony1AolCo
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I also had another question. How would you put a Motorola Type IIi Hybrid system in. Would you put the freqs in the one set with the 7/800 Mhz P25 freqs and VHF and UHF freqs or a different set.
DisasterGuy
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No radio (other than Motorola and certain EF Johnson) will work on a Motorola 3600bps trunked system.
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You don't. The Unity portable can not do pre-P25 trunking.
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