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I have been a scanner buff for 27 years. I have been able to avoid trunking, and other hi tech advancements until now. I will try to briefly explain. My county and city were on 2 different frequencies. City fire and police frequencies went dead about a month ago. I looked on RR and see new frequencies listed. There are about 6. I punch them into a scanner and I hear the city, but the conversation is bouncing around all the new channels. Also, county... who are still on the same freq as before, will come across from time to time on the new freqs. It is delayed slightly. Not all their transmissions, just some of them. Any clue what is going on, and how do I monitor this change? I will post the link to the RR page so you can see the frequencies, and maybe that will help. Sorry for the confusing post / question.

Doug

Fond Du Lac County, Wisconsin (WI) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
It is the city of Fond du Lac. 154.310 and 155.730 were the old fire and police frequencies. The chans. that are under "MODE" that say P25 and the 155.565 are the freq that I am hearing the new chatter on.

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It looks like your area has switched to a trunked radio system and you will need to program your scanner as such. You didn't mention which scanner you are using which would be helpful for people to assist you.

This would be helpful for you to read to start to bring you up to speed on trunking. Trunked Radio Systems - The RadioReference Wiki

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That system is all digital, so you will need a digital capable scanner. Get ready for a shock. They are in the $400-$500 range.
Once you get a new scanner, some program differently than using Banks so that will be a learning curve. Another learning curve will be how trunking works. Here is a simple explanation:

Trunking:
The object of trunking is to allow many users to share a relatively few frequencies.
A trunking system is controlled by a computer. Information (data) is exchanged between the system radios and the computer on a control channel, sometimes called a data channel. It sounds like a strong buzz.
A large system can have up to 28 freqs., 4 of which may be used as control channels. The control channel may be changed once a day or as often as the programmer decides. Some scanners need only the control channels to track an entire system. Just put in the 4 Control Channels.

Each group of users (Fire, Police, etc.) is assigned TALK GROUPS.
In a Motorola Type II system, the most common type, TGs are usually in 32 number steps starting with 16 and going up to 65536; 16, 48, 80 --- 4656, 4688, 4720 --- 28944, 28976, etc. System radios can have more than 100 TGs programmed into them.

How it works
When a user pushes the talk button on his radio, data is sent to the computer. The computer chooses an unused freq. and sends that data to all the radios set to the TG of the originating unit. This all happens in a fraction of a second and it happens EVERY TIME a radio is used.

EXAMPLE:
Fire Dispatch calling Engine 4 (TG 4528 on 856.7125)
Engine 4 answering Dispatch (TG 4528 on 852.2625)
Respond to 73 Elm Street (TG 4528 on 855.9625)
Engine 4 responding (TG 4528 on 851.6375)

If you have entered TG 4528 into your scanner, it will decode the control channel data and change your scanner freqs. to follow the conversation on TG 4528.
 

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Ok. I guess I am following so far. I picked up a GRE 500. I entered the new freq RR shows for the city, and yes I see how the convo switches amongst the freqs. Where do I find out the talk group numbers? It was a chore figuring out how to enter frequencies. I spose I better bury my head back in the manual to see how to enter talk groups. Thanks for the help.
 

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Ok. I guess I am following so far. I picked up a GRE 500. I entered the new freq RR shows for the city, and yes I see how the convo switches amongst the freqs. Where do I find out the talk group numbers? It was a chore figuring out how to enter frequencies. I spose I better bury my head back in the manual to see how to enter talk groups. Thanks for the help.

The link you provided lists the old conventional freqs. At the very bottom of that page is the statewide system they now use. Sroll down to the two Fond Du Lac sites for the freqs., then continue scrolling down until you get to the Fond Du Lac talk groups. For example, for Fire Dispatch you enter 20107, in the DEC column.

20107 4e8b D FDLFD1 Fond du Lac Fire 1 Fire Dispatch
 

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OK, I really am trying here, but am getting no where fast. I wanted to avoid being the new person asking for help programming my scanner, but I really do need help. I have the GRE 500. Per the manual, I hit PGM, NEW, and TGRP. The cursor is on the TSYS line. I have a few options to change it... but from what I know, the system I am trying to monitor is a P25 system. I have the options P25 auto, or P25 Manual. Which one should I use? Here is what RR has listed... go down to Fond du Lac county...

Wisconsin Interoperable System for Communications (WISCOM) Trunking System, Statewide, Wisconsin - Scanner Frequencies

Next I will highlight the manual, and ask a question after...

"Next, scroll to the Frequencies: field to
begin entering the control channel frequencies for the My
System trunked radio system. Press the SEL key, and at the
Ch01: field you should enter the first control channel frequency
for your radio system. Simply key in the
frequency including the decimal point, and press the ENT key or
the DONE softkey to store the control channel frequency. Press
the arrow down key and repeat this step to add any other control channels
used by the system."

So what are the control channel freqs? here are some frequencies that are being used on this system per RR.


Fond Du Lac County, Wisconsin (WI) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
Go down to Fond du Lac, city of

After this I will just copy what the manual says as it is all Greek to me. (No offense to any Greek members here. :))

"Once you have finished entering the control channels, press the
SAVE softkey, then press the SAVE softkey again. This will store
the new TSYS into memory and return you to the TGRP
parameter entry. Your display will now appear as follows:

Notice that the system name has changed to reflect the name
you chose when you were entering the parameters for the
trunking system. As you enter this TGRP and other TGRP
objects for this system, you will just specify the system name
here. So, the TSYS parameters for a system need only be
entered once. You simply specify the already-entered TSYS as
needed when building more TGRP objects for the same system.
Scroll down one click to the ID: field. Note that by default, the
trunking talkgroup ID is set to Wildcard. Wildcard is a special
type of TGRP object that allows you to monitor all talkgroup call
traffic on the associated trunked radio system. Wildcard TGRP
objects allow you to quickly find and store new or unknown
talkgroups on a trunked radio system. When a Wildcard TGRP
object is mapped to an active Scan List and scanned, all
talkgroup traffic on the system is monitored, and you have the
option to save or lock out new talkgroups as they appear. You
may wish to save your TGRP object as a Wildcard with no further
changes. If so, just press the SAVE softkey to store your new
TGRP as a wildcard. By default it will take the tag name of
ID: Wildcard.
HINT:
Wildcard objects are easier to find and change later if you include an
abbreviated name for the system in the tag field.
If you would rather store a TGRP object for a specific talkgroup
ID on MySystem, just press the number keys to enter the
talkgroup ID of the desired talkgroup, then press the ENT key or
the DONE softkey to store the ID.
HINT:
TGRP objects are also used to receive Private/Individual Calls on
trunking systems that support these call types. Simply change the
Type: field from Group to Private. A Wildcard TGRP object with the
Type: field set to Private will monitor all Private/Individual Calls
seen on the system, or you can specify a radio ID to watch for in the
ID: field.
Youʼll want to scroll down two more clicks to the Tag: field and
enter an easy to remember name for your talkgroup that
corresponds with its purpose on the trunked radio system. For
this example, letʼs assume that this is a police dispatch
talkgroup, and we would like to use the name “POLICE
DISPATCH” for the tag. Scroll to the Tag: field and press the
SEL key on the 5-way pushbutton pad. Using the text entry
methods that you have previously employed for naming your
PSR-500 User Manual
Page 41
CONV and TSYS objects, name your new talkgroup “POLICE
DISPATCH”:
7 1 P
6 3 O
5 3 L
4 3 I
2 3 C
3 2 E
. <space>
3 1 D
4 3 I
7 4 S
7 1 P
2 1 A
8 1 T
2 3 C
4 2 H
Press ENT or DONE to store the name, then press SAVE to store
the TGRP as a new object. As with the other object types, there
are many other parameters you can edit for the TGRP, but for
now, thatʼs all you have to do to start monitoring traffic on that
TGRP!"
 
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