JethrowJohnson
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Where do I look to find them?
Here is an example of encryption hampering law enforcement operations.
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CHP will usually takeover a local pursuit when it's on the freeway.
And...
In most cases there is air support available and CHP interfaces with the local air support because ASTERIA, ABLE and STAR-90 all have CHP lo-band Socal channels.
Road conditions were crap, and the weather also was super sucky.
I was shocked at what I heard, but fully understand why CHP didn't want to be involved at the time.
Just too dangerous for all involved.
CHP has them...just do a FOIA request or search broadcastify if there was a local feed.
Liability, not most crimes, control pursuits by any agency.
It's not the crime that dictates...but you are correct about the liability.
This is why the pursuing officer and his supervisors are always re-evaluating the road conditions (speed,weather and how much traffic on the road) to reduce the chance of innocent people getting hurt.
On a normal day CHP would have taken that chase and YES, there would be air support involved. One of the local airships would have called the pursuit, and everyone would have a little "breathing room".
Not this time.
Nobody wants some dead innocent people due to some well intention officer crashing while trying to establish communications in the middle of blinding rain.
As much as I hate the encryption...it was NOT an issue here. And it's really not even a "dispatcher training" issue because conditions all-around were crap. No luxury of air support "due to conditions".
JethrowJohnson
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I agree. What county(ies) was/were this again?
I have noticed that some news agencies don't elaborate on the source of the radio transmissions.
I wrote an open letter to a smaller city in Texas who encrypted everything. I mentioned that citizens would be clueless about dangerous situations such as a crook being "on the ground" within a neighborhood perimeter. There are times when LE tells citizens to stay in the house, but not always. This is why I believe some dispatch channels should be open to the public. "Responsible" citizens can help report sightings to LE and assist in LE efforts.
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Yeah I hate encryption as much as the next guy, but San Diego Sheriff has so far been very good about patching an otherwise encrypted dispatch channel to an unencrypted law enforcement interop channel for pursuits and other incidents where good multi-agency interop trumps the desire for encryption.
SDPD will use their patch talkgroup to link to the CHP Orange, SD Sheriff will link to LE North and LE South command, etc. The air units ABLE and ASTREA are also listening to about 5 ground radios simultaneously and are very good and relaying traffic back and forth, or calling pursuits on trunking and CHP low band more or less simultaneously. The officers will VERY rarely ever use a simplex statewide interop channel like the 8CALL/8TAC channels because doing so takes their radio off the trunking system and they lose the ability to priority scan their dispatch channel.
…and also a lot of them don’t know how, which is a separate issue.
SDPD will use their patch talkgroup to link to the CHP Orange, SD Sheriff will link to LE North and LE South command, etc. The air units ABLE and ASTREA are also listening to about 5 ground radios simultaneously and are very good and relaying traffic back and forth, or calling pursuits on trunking and CHP low band more or less simultaneously. The officers will VERY rarely ever use a simplex statewide interop channel like the 8CALL/8TAC channels because doing so takes their radio off the trunking system and they lose the ability to priority scan their dispatch channel.
…and also a lot of them don’t know how, which is a separate issue.
Ditto this. Typically what ends up happening is the units once they go south out of RSO radio range, they switch to cell phones...same for many Orange County pursuits. They DO patch on CALAW8, but if you have ever tried to monitor this much less utilize it, you will know this would be akin to trying to talk from DTSD on a Buofeng to someone next to you using a VHF repeater located on Mt Lukens in Los Angeles. I remember when they were doing a track of some OIS guy (Marquez) that eventually ended in a dumpster hostage OIS SWAT at San Diego HS a few years ago, the units were on CALAW8 and on my APX4500 in car with rooftop 800 antenna parked at the AM PM off the 15 and 76, I had ZERO RX of the repeater, and the units were only a few exits away from me.
Paul
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