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Hey all, just wondering whether it is possible to program a G5 to hold on a channel for a couple seconds after a transmission? I’m catching transmissions all over the place because it goes back into scan mode the second someone unkeys their radio.

Also, is it possible to manually hold on a channel in trunked mode? This works on conventional channels (using the Stay button), but I can’t seem to find this functionality on trunked systems.

Lastly, any idea why the latest firmware still doesn’t let you change zones (or change anything else on the pager) while it’s receiving a transmission? Very irritating!

Thanks!
 

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No HOLD whatsoever. They are aware of these issues but don't care about their customers. I have never, ever, heard of a radio, of any kind, that you couldn't change the channel while it is receiving, except this one. They would rather waste their time working on updates for stupid $#!T like background colors.
 

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My sentiment exactly. Who cares about a color. If a color scheme can be worked into the FW, I am sure TG delay and TG hold can.

It will probably come out with the update for Phase II forcing everyone to pay for it whether they want or need PII.
 

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The G4 and G5 aren't intended to be scanners. They are paging receivers.
 

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Folks keep buying these units and then complaining they don't do something....

It has been said this over and over - scanner users are not the intended customer.

They aren't likely to add a feature that will potentially impact on the intended audience and the possibility of that user missing a critical transmission. In fact, with the recent addition of a programming password in the latest firmware, it is obvious they are trying to lock things down to keep unauthorized users of issued devices from making changes that adversely affect the radio's mission purpose.

As scanner users, we can ask all we want but as with almost anything you buy, you need to be aware of limitations before making the purchase, be willing to accept those limitations, and not feel they don't care because they won't make the unit do something that is contrary to it's true purpose once we've made the purchase.
 
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Well said Troymail so many people crying about everything these days just be HAPPY the G4 and G5 works 100% Better than scanners i own the G5 VHF VERY VERY HAPPY
 

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I have seen multiple post on color screens being enabled in the latest PPS. Color display is a very very very very very (should I say it again?) important feature for first responders. Most responders are volunteers in our FD's. They have jobs, work in noisy environments and cant keep up with every message every second. Color display like audible alerts helps them decide in a split second if they are responding to the message just sent. If the pager alerts to a fire and they can not hear their audible alert, they can "SEE" the display is red and stop what they are doing to check the message.
 

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The lack of a hold / scan resume button and a scan delay is one big reason why I keep holding off and not buying this thing.
 

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Well, sort of. I need Phase 2 where I stay. That would be another big reason.
 
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WHY can't people JUST be happy the G4 and G5 is a GREAT PAGER that does what scanners can't seem to fix and give them time for the WISH LIST to happen??????
 

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It’s been mentioned here a few times but one semi-reasonable work around is to assign individual knobs to single talkgroups of interest. . which in effect functions as a hold . . even though it is still technically a TG-scan (but of 1 talkgroup) . . the result being a hold on 1 TG.

Yes, it eats up knob positions, and is thus not efficient, but have found it to work pretty well for me.

I even have a couple agency-specific ‘hold zones’ which are setup this way for all 8 knobs, by channel of interest.

Hope this helps.
 

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It’s been mentioned here a few times but one semi-reasonable work around is to assign individual knobs to single talkgroups of interest. . which in effect functions as a hold . . even though it is still technically a TG-scan (but of 1 talkgroup) . . the result being a hold on 1 TG.

Yes, it eats up knob positions, and is thus not efficient, but have found it to work pretty well for me.

I even have a couple agency-specific ‘hold zones’ which are setup this way for all 8 knobs, by channel of interest.

Hope this helps.

Exactly. It's not a bad workaround at all, and I don't even have my G4 until this afternoon, but I have the programming done and have been working with a current local user on programming strategy.

An example on my main system of interest: Phoenix PD simulcast (zone 1). Knob 1 is "scan all talkgroups" (like traditional scanning). Then the rest of the knobs are the other TGs of interest to me. A call comes out on channel 6 that I want to hear, so I just turn the knob to position 6, which only contains that TG, so in effect, this is a "hold" for that TG.

Now I know this isn't a true hold, but it will work for now. There are bigger issues to me, like the lack of multi-system scanning, but as others have said, this is a pager. This is a potential purchase for those "scanner people" whose desire to clearly hear one or more simulcast systems trumps their need for other traditional scanner functions. I am one of those people, willing to accept the shortcomings to actually hear full, clear transmissions (what a concept). What good are all of those scanner functions on my BCD436HP or a Whistler when I don't get half of the transmissions and parts of the transmissions that do break squelch? To me this doesn't replace my scanners, it augments the collection. When I just want to hear Phoenix PD for example, the G4 will be my go-to device.

By the way, to be honest, it took me MONTHS to come to this realization. At first I had the same feelings some others do who are critical. But it finally dawned on me that I'm missing out on what I most want to listen to with traditional scanners.

Maybe they will update the firmware at some point, but they might not, as these are sold mostly to people who need pagers, not scanner hobbyists. Let's all hope that Uniden and / or Whistler finally feels embarrassed enough by what the G4/5 can do, to actually make a scanner that works with simulcast. I have no doubt that many, myself included, would pay a premium for that type of scanner. Until then...well...here we are...each to their own.
 

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To me this doesn't replace my scanners, it augments the collection. When I just want to hear Phoenix PD for example, the G4 will be my go-to device.
I don't know why people cannot understand this.

The G4/G5 has fixed the biggest issue plaguing P25 reception for hobbyists today. It's almost as if the value of distortion-free, crystal clear P25 reception is now yesterday's news, and we're suddenly entitled to, and expecting, features that ironically are on scanners which all do a crap job with LSM.

It's clear the Unications are not for everyone.
 

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I don't know why people cannot understand this.

The G4/G5 has fixed the biggest issue plaguing P25 reception for hobbyists today. It's almost as if the value of distortion-free, crystal clear P25 reception is now yesterday's news, and we're suddenly entitled to, and expecting, features that ironically are on scanners which all do a crap job with LSM.

It's clear the Unications are not for everyone.

I think it's just people speaking out of utter frustration with the overall situation. Uniden and Whistler should be ashamed that after a decade and a half they have not solved this issue, while Unication comes along with a pager for not much more than a BCD536HP that receives simulcast like a professional radio. And I know that Uniden and Whistler are trying to "do it all" and have all the bells and whistles and keep things under a certain price point, but I truly think a scanner that could handle simulcast would sell at the higher price. Most radio guys spend a lot of money on gear, often way too much money, and they will find a way to buy scanners that work with simulcast....but obviously the manufacturers disagree.

Like I said, it took me a while to realize that I couldn't "have it all" in one device, and that life is full of compromises and this is just one more.
 

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This wasn't a thread intended on bashing the pager, it was just to ask about tips or tricks you may have to get around some of the quirks.

So nobody has figured out a way to increase the time it stays on a channel after someone stops transmitting?

Hopefully in the future we will see nuisance lockout, trunk hold, etc.
 

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This wasn't a thread intended on bashing the pager, it was just to ask about tips or tricks you may have to get around some of the quirks.

So nobody has figured out a way to increase the time it stays on a channel after someone stops transmitting?

Hopefully in the future we will see nuisance lockout, trunk hold, etc.

Nobody has figured out a way because there isnt a way. Currently the design is for it to go to the next active TG that is listed in your TG list for the zone/channel your on.

Scanner users wish list im sure is at the bottom of the pile for features to be worked on for Unication.
Also what do you mean by Trunk Hold? Do you mean Talk Group hold? Since this thing does not scan across systems theres no need for a Trunk Hold feature.
 
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