Hooking up my 1st antenna-Do I need an amplifier?

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Well the title pretty much says it all. I am hooking up an antenna...my question is Do I need an amp? And if yes..how do I hook it up?
My facts:
The antenna to scanner base will be at a distance of atleast 100ft.
I am using a Watson discone antenna.
I am using BCT15's.
Any tips or advice?
 

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Well the title pretty much says it all. I am hooking up an antenna...my question is Do I need an amp? And if yes..how do I hook it up?
My facts:
The antenna to scanner base will be at a distance of atleast 100ft.
I am using a Watson discone antenna.
I am using BCT15's.
Any tips or advice?
If you cannot get the coax any shorter than that I would reccomend LMR400 or better to keep lossses to a minumum. I would suggest trying it without the amp first and see what you get. You may just end up amplifying noise depending on what kind of signal the antenna is actually getting. Is there no way to shorten your distance to the antenna?
 
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Thirded, except take all the money you would have spent on the amp and LMR-400 and use RG-6 and a taller mast instead (and have some left over for beer).
 

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Thanks for the tips. No I cant shorten the distance.. the scanners are going in the garage, antenna mounting to chimney.
Anyways, I will go for the good feedline. Thanks again, and Im sure I will be back in a bit with more newb questions...
 

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LMR400 is a good bit of $$ for very few dBs.

I think that it really depends on the application and what you consider to be a good bit of money...

If you are looking at reception of local UHF and semi-local VHF frequencies I would agree that RG-6q fits the fill nicely at a reasonable price (just but an entire spool and have plenty left over). If you are looking to receive anything but the most local 800MHz frequencies than I would look at something closer to 1/2" Heliax or LMR-600. At 450MHz RG-6 will net you a loss of around 6dB whereas LMR-400 would be around 2.6dB. A difference of 3.5dB can make a HUGE difference is some settings. Also, even from TESSCO who certainly isn't the cheapest guy in town, LMR-400 costs less than $1/ft. I consider that to be inexpensive cable compared to a good commercial quality feedline (7/8 - 1 1/4 Heliax) at $5-15/ft.
 
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I would challenge most people to notice 3.5 dB.

AND with LMR400 and heavier cable you are likely to be using an adapter with .25 to 1 dB of insertion loss at 800 MHz.
 

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Generally speaking your higher frequencies experience more loss quicker as your coax gets longer. Try this calculator and see the difference with various types of coax. Don't change "SWR" or "Power In" on the left, just try different lengths, types and frequencies and notice the change of the top number on the right. That should tell you what you need to know. The higher the number on the right the worse the choice. Balance that against what the different cable will cost and remember that the larger diameter ones will be harder to work with, which also may or may not be a factor.

Take for example my two set-ups. In my car there is about 8 feet of RG-58 that I got for free which is quite small and easy to thread from the roof to the scanner (I actually drilled a hole and mounted a well grounded antenna which I think gained me more than anything). At 800mhz that's about 1.2db loss, I can sure live with that. At my base station I have about 60ft. The same cable would give over 8.5db loss at 800mhz, I don't want it even for free. Currently I have RG-6 up there which knocks the loss down to aobut 5.2db. It is still fairly easy to work with and I got it for about 20 cents per foot, a reasonable comprimise. Once the weather gets nice this spring I think I will spend the money reqd and improve upon that though, I have a few things that are a little weak that I would like to bring in better.

EDIT: I should add here that the whole setup can depend on how far away the transmitter is. When I lived in the city I monitored the local 800mhz EDACS system with a BC245 sitting on the desk with no antenna on it. Sometimes a bit of attenuation can be a good thing if there are a lot of other things high powere nearby on similar freqs. Out in the country aobut 35kms from most of the stuff that I want to listen to I need all the help I can get.
 
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