Hoosier SAFE-T Thread 2013-2018

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That's what I get for using talk to text misspelled words and wrong words rebanding not re-branding
 

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Anyone else here in the south east of the state? I'm eagerly (?) awaiting the switch over to the P25 system which apparently is supposed to happen here first.

Nothing on the frequency given for the control channels (Floyd is the best signal at my house) but I've got it programmed in so if/when it comes live I should be good to go.
 

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Can the "sate t" system be heard by a scanner?

Bee, the current system is an Legacy Motorola Type II Smart Zone, with both analog and digital talk groups. It is upgrading over this year to an Motorola ASTRO-25 P25 Phase I system. Should be moving to Phase II around 2020. Both the current, and upgrade version can be scanned with any Digital Capable Scanner. It is currently pure 800 MHz, with talk of future 700 MHz sites in the mix.
 

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Anyone else here in the south east of the state? I'm eagerly (?) awaiting the switch over to the P25 system which apparently is supposed to happen here first.

Nothing on the frequency given for the control channels (Floyd is the best signal at my house) but I've got it programmed in so if/when it comes live I should be good to go.

Remember, those sites listed are from the P25 codeplug for SAFE-T radios. During initial switchover, alternate freqs could possibly be used until all the site freqs are transitioned, and the Legacy system turned off at each site. Each site will have some freqs in use on the Legacy system, and some on the P25 during transition. Once migration is completed and the next Phase is turned on, the Legacy system will be offlined in phases just like the on line of the P25. So starting in the next week, it is recommended to start searching all the freqs of each site for an P25 Control Chan.
 

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Also, I can't remember if they are going to use the North Zone Controller for initial online of the P25, or are going to power on the South Zone Controller for this and still keep the Indy Test Site and North Zone Controller for work ups etc until Phase 3 comes online. I would expect that at least the South Primary Site would be onlined to run the zone, so you would have everything run much smoother. Which would give you Phase 1, and the one other site for 2 months until Phase 2 is onlined. but things sometimes work an tad differently than logic suggests lol.
 

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So essentially they might use one of the alternate Phase I control channels for the Phase II switchover?

Interesting. Either way I'll report what I find out - I know we have other monitors down here.
 

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I think your misunderstanding this. In SAFE-T parlance: Phase 1 is Southeast IN... Phase 2 is Southwest, Phase 3 is Central and so forth. Phase II is when they start adding TDMA (P25 Phase II) to the digital format closer to the year 2020. P25 Phase II TDMA is not going to affect the CC's. When they start the conversion of the Legacy system to P25, they will use the same sites that are online now. They will take some of the freqs from each site, and use them on the P25, with the rest still running on the Legacy system. Once everyone in that region is on the P25, they will switch all the freqs to the P25 and offline the Legacy System. This will be done in the same Phases as the initial onlining of the P25 system.

End of January 2016 - Onlining of SAFE-T P25 in Phase 1. March 2016, onlining of Phase 2, and beginning of Legacy offlining in Phase 1. May 2016, onlining of Phase 3, and beginning of offlining of Phase 2 etc. By the time they online Phase 6, Phases 1-3 should be fully P25, and the Legacy System dead in those areas. By this time next year, the Legacy euipment should be being removed from all sites.
 

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I think your misunderstanding this. In SAFE-T parlance: Phase 1 is Southeast IN... Phase 2 is Southwest, Phase 3 is Central and so forth. Phase II is when they start adding TDMA (P25 Phase II) to the digital format closer to the year 2020. P25 Phase II TDMA is not going to affect the CC's. When they start the conversion of the Legacy system to P25, they will use the same sites that are online now. They will take some of the freqs from each site, and use them on the P25, with the rest still running on the Legacy system. Once everyone in that region is on the P25, they will switch all the freqs to the P25 and offline the Legacy System. This will be done in the same Phases as the initial onlining of the P25 system.

End of January 2016 - Onlining of SAFE-T P25 in Phase 1. March 2016, onlining of Phase 2, and beginning of Legacy offlining in Phase 1. May 2016, onlining of Phase 3, and beginning of offlining of Phase 2 etc. By the time they online Phase 6, Phases 1-3 should be fully P25, and the Legacy System dead in those areas. By this time next year, the Legacy euipment should be being removed from all sites.

Reminds me of the Best Laid plans....etc etc
 

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I think your misunderstanding this. In SAFE-T parlance: Phase 1 is Southeast IN... Phase 2 is Southwest, Phase 3 is Central and so forth. Phase II is when they start adding TDMA (P25 Phase II) to the digital format closer to the year 2020. P25 Phase II TDMA is not going to affect the CC's. When they start the conversion of the Legacy system to P25, they will use the same sites that are online now. They will take some of the freqs from each site, and use them on the P25, with the rest still running on the Legacy system. Once everyone in that region is on the P25, they will switch all the freqs to the P25 and offline the Legacy System. This will be done in the same Phases as the initial onlining of the P25 system.

End of January 2016 - Onlining of SAFE-T P25 in Phase 1. March 2016, onlining of Phase 2, and beginning of Legacy offlining in Phase 1. May 2016, onlining of Phase 3, and beginning of offlining of Phase 2 etc. By the time they online Phase 6, Phases 1-3 should be fully P25, and the Legacy System dead in those areas. By this time next year, the Legacy euipment should be being removed from all sites.

Ok, clear as mud .... ;)
 

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Ok, clear as mud .... ;)

He is referring to different stages of the p25 phase 1 implementation on the Indiana SAFE T system. He is not referring to p25 phase 1 as opposed to p25 phase 2. In other words when he says phase 1 implements at the end of Jan 2016, he means the 1st stage or 1st phase of the implementation plan.

They simply divided Indiana into 6 areas and implement p25 in 6 stages. Probably not a good idea to call them Phase 1 thru Phase 6.
 

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LOL If Uniden was doing it, we would be online, but only have part of the promised functionality and then be offered a totally new version without any real fixes for the issues at hand. Then a few years later get an fix for issues with an extra cost. :twisted:

Whenever there is State involvment, there are issues and delays, on top of the usual probable issues and delays. Be glad there isn't Fed involvement like would be in building out a entire new system. The you would have FAA, EPA, USDHS, and others nitpicking and making things even harder and cost more! Just ask MS about that when they were implementing MSWIN, and you could probably hear the same horror stories from MO on MOSWIN, to some extent in TN on the TACN....
 
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Is there something going with Dekalb County, Indiana? I'm not hearing them on Safe-T? I heard yesterday briefly that safe-t was side trunking. Would they have switch back VHF?
 

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According to the IPSC site, phase 1 cutover has been delayed until "sometime" in Feb., which would explain why I haven't heard any activity on the p25 system this week. Also, of note, it looks like the 2 systems will NOT be run together. There was some speculation earlier that they may run both systems together for a while, that's not going to be the case. Finally, it looks like they plan on doing the cutover during the overnite hours to minimize impact.

Jeff.
 
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