mrwilmoth
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Im getting a radio programed as a scanner (mtx8000 b7) and they say they need the system key? How can I obtain this key?
If the service shop you're using does not have it, you're only option is to find a service shop which does. System keys are a ridiculous Motorola idea, with the intent that only radios authorized by the trunked system owner can be programmed onto that trunked system.mrwilmoth said:Im getting a radio programed as a scanner (mtx8000 b7) and they say they need the system key? How can I obtain this key?
n6orz said:If the service shop you're using does not have it, you're only option is to find a service shop which does. System keys are a ridiculous Motorola idea, with the intent that only radios authorized by the trunked system owner can be programmed onto that trunked system.
He said programmed as a scanner, ie. rx only. If no unlicensed signal is transmitted, no law is broken. Scanners have inferior rx performance when compared to commercial radios. I see nothing nefarious about someone wanting a receiver which performs half way decent.Grog said:It sounds like you are trying to hack onto a system that you have no business being on, which has several problems that I'm sure someone else will fill you in on. I'm too tired to type all of it, but it's best to sell the radio and buy a scanner so you don't break the law.
fireboy said:Most people dont seem to grasp the concept that these systems are managed and operated by a central controller. (computer). and by simply turning on your radio and causing it to affilliate on a system that you are not authorized for. you would have instantly accessed that computer illeagally... hence "Computer Tresspass" and it is a serious offense. which is investigated by the F.B.I. You can go out and pretty much spend as much money on a scanner as you would on a radio and get more features out of your scanner than you could out of a radio anyday. Plus.. what would a police officer think if he saw your radio sitting in your cup holder during a traffic stop and better yet scrolling through the channells on the radio and seeing his own dispatch channel in there..... Just some food for thought....
KCChiefs9690 said:And once it affilliates, it can be inhibited, meaning the computer basically zaps your radio so you can't use it. At that point it is useless.
Grog said:Do you have any idea what you're talking about :lol:
n6orz said:He said programmed as a scanner, ie. rx only. If no unlicensed signal is transmitted, no law is broken. Scanners have inferior rx performance when compared to commercial radios. I see nothing nefarious about someone wanting a receiver which performs half way decent.
n6orz said:Do you? Having spent 11 years as a two-way tech, I've programmed my share of Motorola trunked radios.
RX only, plenty. Back when I was in the industry, local Public Safety had not yet gone to 800. If a customer was on a 461-465 MHz community repeater, I would give him all the 460 MHz public safety -again I say rx only- that he wanted.Grog said:So how often do you put people on others systems without permission?
n6orz said:RX only, plenty. Back when I was in the industry, local Public Safety had not yet gone to 800. If a customer was on a 461-465 MHz community repeater, I would give him all the 460 MHz public safety -again I say rx only- that he wanted.
n6orz said:And If someone presented a badge, or a letter on PD letterhead, I'd give him any public safety he wanted, rx and tx.
n6orz said:Let me repeat a third time, as you don't seem to get it, we are talking about rx only. If tx is inhibited, no illegal signal is transmitted. The PA module could further be removed to insure this guy's radio does not affiliate.
RolnCode3 said:OK. You both win. Has the OP's question been answered?
I'm out of that industry. I cannot confirm or refute your claim that a tx inhibited radio will still try to affililate. But if there is any question, just remove the PA module.Grog said:There are plenty of people who had their radios programmed as "tx is inhibited", but they still tried to affilate with the system. What will you tell this guy if (when) that happens?.
Sorry if you find the banter annoying. I do enjoy a little online debating on a slow night at work.RolnCode3 said:OK. You both win. Has the OP's question been answered?
n6orz said:And since you think system keys are such a great idea, why don't any of the other manufacturers use them? (The answer is that Motorola is uniquely unreasonable when it comes to programming).
n6orz said:Let me repeat a third time, as you don't seem to get it, we are talking about rx only.
Mike_Oxlong said:Unfortunately, Motorola considers that system key as proprietary and will take people to court who use it to program unauthorized radios up on a trunking system.
Doesn't matter if it's receive only. The only people who should possess that system key are shops authorized by the system owner to program radios for that system.
Mike_Oxlong said:It also claimed that, in his dealings with others, Katz used Motorola's registered trademarks to create the false impression that the radios originated with or were approved and authorized by Motorola.