BCD436HP/BCD536HP: How to Discover New Control Channel?

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tglendye

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What is the best way to search for a new control channel? My locality has a Harris P25 Phase II system and added a new frequency to the system and the control channel changed. I searched 851-854 mhz with my bcd436hp and did not have any luck. I manually scrolled through the range and was able to discover the new CC that way.

I feel stupid. Like I am missing something obvious. Shouldn't the scanner stop on a P25 CC in the search range? Is there another way to search for new CC's?
 

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My suggestion is to use Discovery mode.

Press Menu then scroll to Discovery and press E/yes.
Scroll to Trunking Discovery or Conventional Discovery and press E/yes.
Scroll to New Session and press E/yes.
Conventional Discovery
Input Session Name - Enter the Name and press E/yes. See Data Naming.
Trunking Discovery
Input System Name - Press E/yes to display enabled systems and scroll to system. Press E/yes to select.
Notes: To select the trunked system:
1. The trunked system must be enabled in 'Select Lists to Monitor',
2. The system/site QKs must be enabled for scan in 'Set Quick Key Status' (if assigned to one), and
3. The service types for channels in the system must be enabled.
Select Site - Scroll to the Site to use in the system and press E/yes.
Input Session Name
- Enter the Name and press E/yes. See Data Naming.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have further questions regarding this matter!
 

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Thanks. Maybe I am misunderstanding this. Isn't this only for discovering new talk groups? I don't see any option to discover a new frequency for a site.
 

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Thanks. Maybe I am misunderstanding this. Isn't this only for discovering new talk groups? I don't see any option to discover a new frequency for a site.
Right, Discovery will only help find a new talkgroup, and/or collect recordings to help you determine the usage for a TGID that is not in the database. That's because you have to specify the site as it already exists, either in your Favorites list or the Main Database (if you were using usingthe database and location to scan, not a Fav list). If you spot a new frequency on one of the FCC licenses for the system, you can check it manually for usage on the scanner.
Press Channel to pause the scanner.
Next, enter your frequency.
Do not press Enter. Instead, press Channel again. The scanner will be holding on the frequency, so you could listen for the control channel signal. You can also use the Scroll knob to manually search up or down from the frequency you entered.

Since you're dealing with a Harris system, where any of the site frequencies might be used as a control at a given time, just edit the system, either on the scanner, or in Sentinel to add it. If you add it only via the scanner, then be sure to read the update back into Sentinel. Otherwise, the next time you write to the scanner, your manual update will be overwritten and lost,

There is no way to add a new frequency to the main database itself on the scanner or in Sentinel. It has to be done through a Favorites list. Or, you can submit the additional frequency to the database, which will show up in the main database after your submission is processed.
 

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Uniden Representative - I think I see his point. In order to use trunking discovery you have to run that on a trunked system that
is already set up and is scannable. But if the control channel changes then the discovery session will not have the proper control
channel to scan, since it is now not the same, and nothing will be found. So.....if we went to a tower site and had no idea what the
correct control channel was for the site how would we find it?
 

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Uniden Representative - I think I see his point. In order to use trunking discovery you have to run that on a trunked system that
is already set up and is scannable. But if the control channel changes then the discovery session will not have the proper control
channel to scan, since it is now not the same, and nothing will be found. So.....if we went to a tower site and had no idea what the
correct control channel was for the site how would we find it?
Close Call
 

tglendye

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Uniden Representative - I think I see his point. In order to use trunking discovery you have to run that on a trunked system that
is already set up and is scannable. But if the control channel changes then the discovery session will not have the proper control
channel to scan, since it is now not the same, and nothing will be found...
Great explanation of my question... Thank you!

Close Call
Close Call doesn't work in this case... too far away from a tower. I could drive close to one, I guess. But isn't there a way to search through a range of frequencies (like the search mode in the unit)? I can't understand why the Search mode is not stopping at data and voice channels during the search. Is this because it's a Harris P25 phase II?
 

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The answer was specific to
So.....if we went to a tower site and had no idea what the
correct control channel was for the site how would we find it?

It may not be the answer your looking for, But a cheap PC, a dongle and some decode software would be A LOT EASIER..
You can set up a custom search.
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