BCD436HP/BCD536HP: How to "hold" on a specific DMR memory after scrolling to it?

[noamlivne]

To those of you that have BCD436HP with the DMR feature:
Can you get the "F"+"Site" hold + immediate scrolling with the button to work for you?
For example, I have a saved DMR repeater with CC1 at 450.0 MHz, and a saved DMR repeater with CC2 at 460.0 MHz.
While (System) Scanning, the scanner stops at the CC1 repeater, and I press the "F" button + "Site" button and immediately scroll to the second repeater - CC2.
But for some reason I pick up only one repeater, the repeater with CC1, even though I scrolled to the CC2 repeater.
Any tips how to "hold" the CC2 repeater?

 

[dave3825]

Can you confirm there is activity on 460.0 at the time your trying to have the scanner stop on it? Or are you just looking for a way to scroll to it and hold on it?

 

[noamlivne]

Good question.
I am looking for a way to scroll to it and hold on it.
The things is that when I "F"+"Site" hold + immediate scroll, I hear the activity in the "previous" repeater (from where I started to scroll). I do not hear the activity in the frequency that I scrolled to - that appears on the screen.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

To those of you that have BCD436HP with the DMR feature:
Can you get the "F"+"Site" hold + immediate scrolling with the button to work for you?
For example, I have a saved DMR repeater with CC1 at 450.0 MHz, and a saved DMR repeater with CC2 at 460.0 MHz.
While (System) Scanning, the scanner stops at the CC1 repeater, and I press the "F" button + "Site" button and immediately scroll to the second repeater - CC2.
But for some reason I pick up only one repeater, the repeater with CC1, even though I scrolled to the CC2 repeater.
Any tips how to "hold" the CC2 repeater?

Func + Site (hold) will only scroll to the next object if you have the frequencies programmed as their own separate sites as on a trunked system. If you have them as separate conventional channels you'll need to press CHAN to do a channel hold then scroll to the next object.

 

[noamlivne]

I have them as separate sites. But F + Site hold + Scroll seems not to really move between the sites. It seems to just show other sites but gives me the audio and CC of the original "held" site.
When I have a chance, I will try to do F + Site hold + Scroll to the required site + Hold. Maybe that will help?
Or I will try other hold combinations, maybe that will help?

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Are the frequencies belonging to one or two separate licensees? Why not program them as separate conventional objects if traffic is only carried on one timeslot per frequency?

 

[noamlivne]

They are totally different regular non-trunked DMR repeaters (in Sentinel: DMR One Frequency) that belong to different services in different locations.
I have, let's say, 20 different regular DMR repeaters (entered as Sites). I Scan them. Sometimes I want to "sit" on one of them to listen to it before the scanner stops on it.
For some reason I cannot do that, as I explained above.

Programming them as a conventional Channel (in Sentinel: Conventional), might be a solution.
I just thought I can get away with the Site Hold way, somehow...

 

[jtwalker]

Maybe I am missing some important part of your plan, but it seems you are making this much more complex than it needs to be.

 

[noamlivne]

I know it does not sound clear. Sorry about that.
Maybe I will try to make a short video when I have a chance.

I wonder if one of you can try to Scan regular DMR repeaters (that are entered as DMR One Frequency in Sentinel) Sites.
Let it stop at an active DMR repeater, then press F + Site hold + and scroll to other saved DMR repeaters.
For me I hear the sound and see the Color Code of the original DMR repeater I stopped on, and not where I scrolled to.
I would think that I can move that way between the sites and listen to their activity and not get "glued" on the original site.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I'd suggest posting your Sentinel export (directions here) so someone can take a look at your programming

 

[noamlivne]

Thank you very much for the instructions to Export Sentinel.
Unfortunately I am using it outside the States with local frequencies currently, so I will not want to do so.
I will try to record a short video (perhaps next week). Hopefully that will make things clearer. If not, not a big issue..

 

[Ubbe]

Can you get the "F"+"Site" hold + immediate scrolling with the button to work for you?

If you do immediate scroll it will still stay in scan mode, that have stopped at 450.0
You will have to first switch to site hold mode, doing F+Site and wait 3 sec, but maybe possible that any type of hold will do, and then you can do F+Site and scroll.

/Ubbe

 

[noamlivne]

Not too much activity here now.
But I recorded a short video.

VID_20231215_161740.mp4

drive.google.com

I cannot F + Site Hold + Scroll between other frequencies to listen to them while I am scrolling. That is what I wanted to achieve.

Thank you very much to all of you that are trying to assist.

 

[dave3825]

What happens if you program them as individual systems? Then you could just do system hold when and where you want. That’s how I did my single site convention dmr on my 436.

 

[noamlivne]

What happens if you program them as individual systems? Then you could just do system hold when and where you want. That’s how I did my single site convention dmr on my 436.

I did not think about giving a single, not-trunked, regular DMR repeater a whole System. Interesting.
If that is the solution, I will probably not go for it as it is quite cumbersome for me at this stage, and I will learn to live with the current situation.

 

[noamlivne]

If you do immediate scroll it will still stay in scan mode, that have stopped at 450.0
You will have to first switch to site hold mode, doing F+Site and wait 3 sec, but maybe possible that any type of hold will do, and then you can do F+Site and scroll.

/Ubbe

Perhaps you were on to something...


If I do:
F + Site Hold + Scroll to wherever I want + Wait 3 secs + Hold + Hold
I manage to stop listening to the "original" DMR repeater, and probably start listening the newly scrolled one.

This is not really what I wanted - which is to listen to different Sites while I am Scrolling through them, but it will do for now.
A bit awkward but at least I learned something new now... I will check it out more during the following days.

Thank you all for your assistance and patience.

 

[ka3aaa]

To do what you want to you will need a radio that has two receivers that can operate independently of each other installed, but i never seen a scanner with two independent receivers.

 

[noamlivne]

To do what you want to you will need a radio that has two receivers that can operate independently of each other installed, but i never seen a scanner with two independent receivers.

That is not what I meant. I do not want to listen to two things at once.

I want to manually Scroll through my saved "Memory" entries.
Probably I am thinking of old scanners such as the AR-1000 I had 30 something years ago that of course was not digital, but enabled to manually scroll through frequencies and memories...

So in the BCD436HP case, as we can manually scroll between frequencies with the Hold + freq input + Hold + Scroll, I thought I could do that with the "Memories" or Sites. Simply Scrolling slowly with the knob to listen to each Site manually.

But I found out it is a bit more complex than that (F + Site Hold + Scroll to wherever I want + Wait 3 secs + Hold + Hold).
Or am I missing something?

 

[Ubbe]

But I found out it is a bit more complex than that (F + Site Hold + Scroll to wherever I want + Wait 3 secs + Hold + Hold).
Or am I missing something?

The scroll function doesn't work instantly on Site hold as it does for all other scrolls. It is that Function key that has a 3 sec timeout that destroys it. I would like Uniden to switch places between Site and Department, at least for trunked system as the Site button would have no use in conventional systems.

It would be the best solution if Uniden could make a default setting selectable, as it is for some functions in professional radios, so that you could select in the menu to have a default dept or site button in trunked mode and default scroll or volume for the selector and other things like keypad lock and if it should also lock the rotary selector or not and if unlocked it should be scroll or volume. Uniden can still do a lot of enhancement to their current scanners, if they really have a wish to do so.

/Ubbe

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

To do what you want to you will need a radio that has two receivers that can operate independently of each other installed, but i never seen a scanner with two independent receivers.

Scanner? No. For that you'll need a communications receiver. Something along the lines of an Icom IC-R20 (although analog only)