How to Scan Two-Way Radio Traffic Question

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RFI-EMI-GUY

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1) Yes.
2) The school should have an FCC license. Try searching for licenses associated with the school. Failing that use the Close Call feature to try and capture a radio being used.

Otherwise:

":Radios have 90 Pre-set frequencies (451-470 MHz); 16 Channels at 12.5 kHz Channel spacing to avoid signal mixing "

You would have to download the manual and search the 90 pre set channels.

It is possible the radios are used on a public safety channel, in which case you might have to scan those.
 

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You could also turn on close call and wait for a hit, if they use NXDN or DMR and you don't have that upgrade you will hear that scramble noise on the frequency. All the instructions he has provided above is correct and you should try.
 

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1) Yes.
2) The school should have an FCC license. Try searching for licenses associated with the school. Failing that use the Close Call feature to try and capture a radio being used.

Otherwise:

":Radios have 90 Pre-set frequencies (451-470 MHz); 16 Channels at 12.5 kHz Channel spacing to avoid signal mixing "

You would have to download the manual and search the 90 pre set channels.

It is possible the radios are used on a public safety channel, in which case you might have to scan those.

Thanks for the info. Two followup questions:

Or could I just have the scanner search from 451-470 and see I catch traffic?

Does the Uniden "Discovery" feature apply in this case or is that for something else?
 

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At my place of employment (a school), the security staff uses Kenwood radios that are basically identical these:
Amazon.com: Kenwood TK-3402U16P ProTalk 5 Watt Two-way Radio, UHF, 16 Channels, Black Color: Industrial & Scientific

1. Could the Uniden 436 pick up this radio traffic?

2. If so, how would it (or I) discover or find the frequency that the radios are transmitting on to listen to with the 436?


There are a number of radios that use the same chassis.
As RFI-EMI-GUY said, you should search for their license. The only difference in outwards appearance between a UHF model and a VHF model (without taking the battery off and looking at the tags) would be the antenna.
 

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Turn on close call on the scanner, select the appropriate frequency range to monitor and key up the radio. The scanner will display the frequency and CTCSS or DCS if those are being used. Close call will not work with DMR or NXDN.
 

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Here is a list of the 90 Kenwood preset frequencies:

Save the file to your computer and extract. Open the extracted file with Excel.
 

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Here is an updated list without channel numbers and in a single column that can be pasted directly into Sentinel:

Save the zipped file to your computer and extract. Open the extracted file with Excel.
 

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Another possible hitch in finding the frequency is that the school may not have their own license, but instead be using one from a radio service provider that is renting them the air time and possibly the radios. That makes it quite a bit more difficult to find the frequency using a simple license search. It's also possible that the school may not understand that a license is needed and since their radios appear to have a preprogrammed set of frequencies may not have bothered to get a license to use them legally. In that situation (especially if they discovered that they may not be operating legally), they may change channels on a frequent basis in an attempt to avoid discovery either from the FCC or from others that may want to monitor their transmissions for some reason (someone that is monitoring to help them kidnap a student without getting caught for example).
 

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Here is a text file of the 90 Kenwood preset frequencies in case you don't have Excel. This one you don't have to extract.
 

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Here is a text file of the 90 Kenwood preset frequencies in case you don't have Excel. This one you don't have to extract.

Thanks (and to others for the zip files); maybe I'll create a favorites list with those frequencies to see if they transmit on one of them. I'm more curious to see if it would actually pick up on the 436.
 

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Another possible hitch in finding the frequency is that the school may not have their own license, but instead be using one from a radio service provider that is renting them the air time and possibly the radios. That makes it quite a bit more difficult to find the frequency using a simple license search. It's also possible that the school may not understand that a license is needed and since their radios appear to have a preprogrammed set of frequencies may not have bothered to get a license to use them legally. In that situation (especially if they discovered that they may not be operating legally), they may change channels on a frequent basis in an attempt to avoid discovery either from the FCC or from others that may want to monitor their transmissions for some reason (someone that is monitoring to help them kidnap a student without getting caught for example).

The district likely has an FCC license (I found an expired one in the database, but I only looked quickly) but I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the actual individual buildings. There is a frequency in the RR database that might be for district wide security or school buses.

I noticed that the different buildings I'm in all use the same looking Kenwood, so the district likely bought a bunch and gave every building a certain number of them.

There's like 6 people that have a radio in the school where I work (security plus admins.) In elementary schools they don't even have security. It's just the principals, counselors, and maybe social workers that have a radio. They're just using the radios to for things like "we need to clear the hall on the second floor" or "what time is our meeting?"

As for the FCC issue, there's no way the school principals are even thinking about that where I work (likely not even aware of it). There's no way they're switching channels to avoid the FCC or possible outside monitoring.
 

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Several Schools in my area of West Tn and West Ky use FSR's and when questioned about it they say well if they were against the law Walmart would not sell them.

Here in north Texas there are several night clubs and other businesses that use GMRS/FRS radios. I guess the FCC just doesn't give a hoot or they are too busy going after big fish to mess with them. I'm old enough to remember the time when CB required a license, but as it grew in popularity in 1970s thanks to trucker movies like Smokie and the Bandit the FCC gave up trying to police it and let it turn into the mess it became. In the 1960s CB was actually pretty good, but back then the FCC monitored and policed it, and truckers had not discovered it yet.
 

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Several Schools in my area of West Tn and West Ky use FSR's and when questioned about it they say well if they were against the law Walmart would not sell them.

Exactly. I actually worked in an elementary school where the building principal bought a set of about 6 radios partly so they could radio back inside with the bus numbers that arrived shortly before dismissal. They gave me a radio for this task so I felt a little important. Except...they didn’t understand that everyone has to be on the same channel. Each radio was on a different channel so no one could hear anything. So I would say Ms. Xyz, bus 123 and 234 are here and there would be no response. I could see her walking with the radio on her hip. They tried it for about 2 weeks then gave up. The concept of being on the same channel was too difficult for them!!
 

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I saw problems from the git-go when they started mass-marketing FRS/GMRS/MURS radios. Businesses wanting to squeeze that nickel will go that route for their radios without the hassle of registering and licensing. It started with taxis and shuttles and is now very prevalent throughout the small business market. How can the FCC possibly police these bands now when the blister paks are selling like hotcakes?
 

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A school got turned in here was was told to stop or pay high fines they have stopped

That’s interesting. There might be some schools nationwide that are using radios that are low power and not even subject to a license.
 

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Here is an updated list without channel numbers and in a single column that can be pasted directly into Sentinel:

Save the zipped file to your computer and extract. Open the extracted file with Excel.

OK. so I finally entered this into a Sentinel favorite list. Two more questions:

What should I put in for modulation? (It currently says Auto)

What should I put in for Audio Option? (It currently says Search)
 

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You'll want to have it on auto/search until you know the mode, and tone type used.

While in search it will display the nac, tone, ran, etc whichever is used
 
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