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If you mainly listen to UHF, the the UHF antenna will perform better. The 800 MHz antenna will perform better on 800 MHz. If you want good performance on VHF, then select a VHF antenna.

Now, if you want good performance on UHF, and also VHF, be aware that they make dual band VHF/UHF antennas that would probably be a better choice for you. An example of such a dual band antenna is the Diamond SRH77-CA, or the SRH-519, or the Comet SMA-503.
 

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crazyboy said:
I am deciding between a 1/4 wave uhf antenna and a 1/2 wave 800mhz antenna. I mainly listen to uhf but also some vhf. Very little 800. Which one will perform better?

crazy, I just realized that all the antenna examples I gave you were for antennas with SMA connectors. I was thing about the BCD396D. If you want BNC antennas, most of the ones I listed can be had with BNC type connectors as well. The Diamond RH77-CA is the BNC equivilant of the SRH77-CA I mentioned.
 

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I'm not knocking the Diamond antenna, but be advised the gain claim is in dBi, not in dBd. Using dBi is a trick many antenna manufacturers use to inflate their gain claims.

dBi is decibels relative to an isotropic source, which is a theoretical source that radiates evenly in all directions. Because it radiates equally in all directions, the gain is 0. Such a source does not exist in the real world. That is why most honest companies give their gaim claims in dBd, or decibels relative to a dipole. A dipole does have gain relative to an isotropic source, so referencing your gain to it is much more useful outside of research papers.

If an antenna is claiming around 2.14dBi gain, then it is actually 0dBd gain. They are basically saying it has the same gain as a dipole, and the relative difference between a dipole and a dipole is 0. The relative difference between a dipole and an isotropic radiator is about 2.14dBi. That is how they arrive at their claim.

Saying an antenna has 2dB gain or 8dB gain is useless since since you don't what the gain is relative to. Decibels are a way to compare different values, so you have to know right off the bat what you are comparing. Other common examples are dBm which is decibels relative to one milliwatt, and db-MEG which is used when comparing to specific objects like a two specific antennas.

For what it's worth, I advertise all of my antenna gains in dBd.

Jeff
 

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Thanks all. Jeff, what would be your recommendation?
 

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If you wanted to listen to both 800MHz and UHF, then I wold probably get the 800MHz half wave antenna. It's more critical to have better 800MHz reception on the trunking system than it is to UHF reception on the conventional system.

However, if you mainly listen to UHF and only occasionally listen to 800MHz, then I would get a UHF antenna. I do have UHF antenna with the SMA connector available.

I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Jeff
 

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Okay Thanks. Ill get the uhf 1/4wave antenna then.
 

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SM is the code for an SMA connector. Just like BN and BNX are the codes for a BNC connector. I have a chart that describes the various ones at http://shop.waltel.com/techinfo/hhantcon.html .

They are both quarter wave antennas, so they are unity gain. However, since they are tuned for a specific frequency range, they will have more gain than a stock scanner antenna.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Thanks,
Jeff
 

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The pictures are just stock pictures to show the basic design of the antenna. If you want a picture of the exact antenna let me know.

Thanks,
Jeff
 

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After reading this thread, I just purchased the 1/2 Wave 800 MHz antenna CRNEXE806BNX. It was really a toss up between the Diamond and Jeff's antenna. With the help of Jeff's explanation, it looks like I've made the right decision. Plus the new customer discount coupon made it a sweet deal.

I found that it was really hard to decide which one to purchase. I reviewed the strongsignals.net and AWH website tests and all I got was more confused. What made it worse was that the AWH website mentioned a Centurion EXG806BN 5/8 wave 800 MHz antenna, which I couldnt' even find on the Centurion website.

Anyway, thanks Jeff and everyone else. Can't wait to get my new antenna.
 
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