Hull, UK - Radio system to help fight Hessle Road crime

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For about the last two years I have taken a lot of interest in the UK. It only taken me about 10 minutes for me to locate Hull on my Great Britain map that I have on my wall. With help from Google Maps that is. Any rate I hope and pray that this will work well for them. England in of itself as a nation in the UK, and yes I said that right. Do research if you not believe me. Has a very, very high crime rate. And I think the sharing of information between stores about what different criminals are doing can go a long was. Does anybody else have any other ideals.

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"England... ...Has a very, very high crime rate."

Oh, you noticed that? To clarify, like the US and most countries it's concentrated in cities, rural areas are pretty much crime free. Now to the point, the average thug doesn't pull a holdup with a feather, he uses a gun. Oh, you knew that. So why then the high crime and armed violence on a sharp rise? The shop owners don't have guns and neither do the police except for their version of SWAT.

Remember the phrase when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns? The Brits have finally realized the truth since it hit home but too late, they don't have the NRA nor the Second Amendment. Just a little snot before I step off my soap box (in Hyde Park?) those who call us cowboys wish THEY were John Wayne. Sometimes I wish I were Doctor Who but...
 

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We all do respect, they didn't realize anything. Every single time there is a large shooting in the US, the British news media reports that it because of loose gun laws in America. I'm not making this up, do the research. Note: Just because I have a lot of interest in the UK, doesn't mean that I've been there. This is what everyday Brits are telling me.
For myself I grow up around guns. I believe that are gun rights reduce certain kinds of crimes in America. And I wouldn't give up my guns for anything. Now if I understand them correctly most violent crime is done with a knife of some sort. And not with a gun. Matter a fact the chief murder weapon is not the gun, it is the knife.
I think for the most part were in full agreement. Now it would be my luck that someone that is across the pond, if you will. Is going to put there two cents in as well. I can respect there beliefs. Just remember there culture is different from ours.
Any way talk with you later. O by the way I was half a wake when I wrote this.

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I lived in Staffordshire for just under a year.

Yes, there is a crime problem.

Sure, they don't involve too many guns. But you can be assured that the chances of your car or home being broken into are quite high, your chances of being mugged are high, fraud is common and drug fueled crime is very high.

Sure, the US is no rose either. However, with the population density you have in the UK....for the first time in my life, I wish I did have a gun over there. A lot of people like to compare apples to apples but you can't.

What's the problem then ? My personal opinion is...it's the high level . I am sure Police officers would love to kick the as* of the guy who just ripped off a shop, but they are not allowed to. Police are very restricted by policies that they aren't allowed to kick butt. They are also under funded and under staffed. It's not the officers fault, it's much higher up then them.

I was lucky to have a off street parking spot for my car over there. My neighbors van was broken into twice, and the other neighbor's car broken into once....and this was a good neighborhood. The shops report shoplifting...on a daily basis. My better half was a shop manager.

The UK is a amazing place, very beautiful spots to see, and such. In general the people are very nice. Great place to visit, but you don't want to live there.
 

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Thank you for messaging me back. I have noticed some of the same things as well in the past. I've watched several You Tube videos in the past to learn more about the UK. Along with other online research. One of the things that I did was compare the crimes rates between the US and the UK. And believe it or not it showed twice as much in burglaries and muggings. Which you have kind of mention.

Living in the US and I seen it a lot on You Tube as well, It's hard to imagine the police being under so much restriction. It's almost as if they have to play a game with the criminals. Everything the police do has to be on the table so to speak and everything the criminals do is under the table. And I admit it's the same way in the US. But it doesn't seem no where nearly as bad.

I didn't know about the level of fraud though. But I'm not that all surprise. If it's that bad as for burglaries and muggings. Then it does stand to resign that fraud would be bad as well.

As for as shoplifting it's bad everywhere I think. I work at a local Walmart Supercenter. We have shoplifting going on every single day. When straightening the shelves it's not uncommon to find the empty packages of things that gotten stolen. I once found several empty packages of items totaling in the hundreds of dollars. And all of it in the same area, behind some other merchandise.

The answer isn't very easy. It's not a lack in government programs to limit poverty. Because the UK has one of the largest set of government programs. And I not want to imagine the cost that this creates for tax payers there. The other is much longer prison terms. Not sure if that will work. I not know.

Even with that I still want to visit the UK one day. I will continue to study it on a regular basis as well. Learning more and more about it each time.

Again thank you for your time my brother or sister. I wish you a great day.

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While in Ireland 3 years ago, I saw exactly what they are doing there. While shopping in most of the big cities every clerk, agent, etc had a portable radio. Some had headsets others undercover ear buds, and those that had just the radio you could hear the radio traffic between those in the store and stores around them. The merchants did this themselves not the Police, and when you have just one clerk or agent dealing with a shoplifter or criminal it can be daunting and dangerous, but with 30 to 50 people involved the criminal may think twice before trying anything in any of those stores.
As far as guns, I really,really believe that our forefathers when the framed the constitution saw that guns for the people were necessary to ensure their own well being and to keep government in check. There are many things in Britain I don't like and the fact the the people don't have guns is one of them. As far as the British press they are no different then here, if it bleeds it leads.
 

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I believe that I seen where different store here in the US will share information about shoplifting. But it's the first time that I've heard of stores right next to each other exchanging information with each other my two-way radio. Either right even though they maybe competitors with each other, it befits them all my exchanging information about shoplifting. If one store knows that a shoplifter is around, they all will there is a shoplifter around.

It's kind of funny we use are right to bear arms. And I'm a gun owner for sure. To have a sense of keeping are government in check. Which is understandable indeed. The British do it by keeping heavy restrictions on what the police can and can't do. Because we not need the police violating are rights as human beings. Both are fully understandable to me. But I wonder which one has a better effect on crime. Or maybe it's just that much difference between the two cultures. I not know.

I find the UK very interesting. Even if I may never go there. For a fellow English speaking country, that values human rights as much as we do. There seems to be a lot of interesting differences in culture over there. And I still want to learn as much as I can.

Thank you for your post my brother. Stay safe out there.

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Quite interesting the way this thread is going, too bad we don't have more input from the UK however.

"We all do respect, they didn't realize anything."
You probably meant with all due respect, I get the picture.
"Every single time there is a large shooting in the US, the British news media reports that it because of loose gun laws in America."
There's no such thing as a small shooting but if they reported each and every one they'd have a paper thick as the London telephone directory with nothing BUT shootings in it. Anyway, that's the press and like all news media (we all know that crap is king, give us dirty laundry) it all comes down to sensational journalism to sell product.
"I'm not making this up, do the research."
Already done, I've been tapped into media all over the planet for 30+ years.
"Just remember there culture is different from ours."
Not as different as you think, you'd be surprised at how my friends in the UK and I are all tuned to the same wavelength.

"Sure, they don't involve too many guns. But you can be assured that the chances of your car or home being broken into are quite high, your chances of being mugged are high, fraud is common and drug fueled crime is very high."
Same here, but I'm sure everybody knows that.
"However, with the population density you have in the UK....for the first time in my life, I wish I did have a gun over there."
How unfortunate you landed in a high crime area. Trouble is firearms are illegal so you would only have to posses one and you'd be in deep doggie doo doo. Oh I know it's the spirit of the thing, just being pedantic.
"The UK is a amazing place, very beautiful spots to see, and such. In general the people are very nice. Great place to visit, but you don't want to live there."
They say that about New York (;->) and while on the subject York as a FANTASTIC railway museum I would LOVE to spend a few days at.

"One of the things that I did was compare the crimes rates between the US and the UK. And believe it or not it showed twice as much in burglaries and muggings."
I suppose the US has the higher crime overall simply because you can fit the whole of the UK into one of our mid sized states.
"The answer isn't very easy."
The answer is EXTREMELY easy but the solution impossible, you'll get it if you just think a while.
"It's not a lack in government programs to limit poverty."
Of course not, while poverty does drive people to crime you can't say that about the worst criminals of all, the extremely wealthy. Before we get TOO political here just stop and think about this clue to the above, human nature trumps righteous upbringing.

Interesting comments about Irish merchants, radios and shoplifting. That works where like in times past in the US shops are clustered in the CBD, letting each other know what to watch for is an excellent form of crime prevention. No, it doesn't involve police because they're crime apprehension. From what I've seen the Irish are a breed apart, they have their old fashioned ways. You may want to take on one Irishman but surrounded by his friends you kind of lose that fighting spirit. Then they take their time calling the cops, no hurry cleaning up the mess on the floor.
"...but with 30 to 50 people involved the criminal may think twice before trying anything in any of those stores."
You don't need THAT many, 3 to 5 gorillas or chimps with shillelaghs are quite enough. Heh, even El Presidente knows when in Dublin a hurley stick is as good as a shillelagh when the chips are down. "Ya want a piece of THIS?!"
 
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Most of the stores here in the U.S. are large box or chain stores, whereas the stores may share information, it isn't real time, but in Ireland they were more mom and pop style, therefore it makes more sense to kinda keep an eye out for one another.

In England if you read a lot of the non mainstream media, the government keeps the people in check, not the other way around(our forefathers kinda knew this). Take for example photographing off the street a building and the like. If you do, you are sure to get interogated by the Police and possibly held and you camera confiscated( they are watching you on camera). There are numerous other incidents of this type that the mainstream media fails to report, either because they were told not to, or to ensure their contacts in the government.
I'm not sure I would like living in a fishbowl as most Britains do with all the camera's and such. BTW I don't like NYC either anymore even though I lived and worked there for years for the same reason. Plus most crime is not as harshly punished as it is here, meaning the criminal is back on the street again doing it over again.


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Warren you are hysterical. LOL
 
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Now that's an interesting post! In the first paragraph you described the US 50 years ago before shopping malls surrounding big box stores. Oh, take a closer look at the highway signs listing the establishments next time you go by, quite a few will have you in stitches.

Now in the second paragraph substitute the US for England and Americans for Britons (that's Britons with an O) and you have a fair description of der fatherland. It wasn't long ago you could be arrested by der poliezi and your camera confiscated for photographing "key infrastructure" but there was such a scream of protest the practice has been discontinued. Just don't photograph der poliezi.

I should add one thing, be it the UK or the US be careful of what you do on the internet, there you are being watched and der gestappo will disappear you if you appear to be a terrorist (read enemy of the state). We old hippies remember protest songs from the 60s, such times I wonder how we survived (and many didn't). Nothing has changed, it's just retreated into the shadows.

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and they carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down...

Yeah, I'm hysteresiscoil.
 
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