I think I'm done with Disneyland scanning... ;)

[b52hbuff]

I haven't seen anyone using Nextel's there yet but then again it might just be the suits that have them right now. It would not suprise me if Sprint did a deal for all Disney.

I've heard from various sources that ODV is currently using the radios. Not sure where else usage has proliferated.

 

[b52hbuff]

I am not sure if I am making this clear. I typically like to leave my scanner on one channel, typically Ops or Guest Control. When an "all call" goes out, whether it be parkwide(ride broke down) or resort-wde (Paramedics responding to...), I SHOULD be hearing it, but am not. I hear EVERYTHING ELSE on those channels, including the responses to the all calls (aka "Adventure one copies Indy 101"). I have programmed the downloaded system from RR and have tried it with both the "ignore status bit" box checked and unchecked.

If you set status bit to 'not ignore', then you will most definately not hear the all call in this usage. Because if you're listening to a specific TG, and you're *not* ignoring the status bits... The patched TGID will appear to the radio as a different TGID.

I would like to see some guidance from Wayne about this, because I'm not sure how the multipatch works. But I know that the TGID iis modified. Let's say that there is a multipatch that patches together 2 TGIDs. (e.g. 256 & 368). I know from newsalan, that the TGID will be modified as such:
ID+7 Multi-select (initiated by dispatcher)

So that would look like: 263 (256 + 7) and 375 (368 + 7). If status bits are set to ignore, those still look like 256 and 368.

But what if the patch only sends out 263 and you're stuck on 368? I'm not sure you'll get it.

 

[WayneH]

I would like to see some guidance from Wayne about this, because I'm not sure how the multipatch works. But I know that the TGID iis modified. Let's say that there is a multipatch that patches together 2 TGIDs. (e.g. 256 & 368). I know from newsalan, that the TGID will be modified as such:
ID+7 Multi-select (initiated by dispatcher)

I've tried to in this or another thread. I don't know how else to explain it. He needs to get a working profile in his scanner as I know it's a programming issue.

 

[Jurassic69]

OK, i downloaded the profile from the beginning of this thread into the scanner, wish me luck!

 

[Jurassic69]

*****DISNEYLAND UPDATE AS OF 8/22/08******

Departments/Groups on Nextel:
-Custodial
-Main Gate
-Parking/Transportation
-Stores
-ODV (outdoor vending)
-DCA Guest Control (DL guest control still on MOT)
-Entertainment (Fantasmic 1 and Remember 1 have MOTs and are on the DL Ops channel)

Still on MOT:
-DL Ops & Chat
-DCA Ops & Chat
-Security (Red, Blue, Chat, Hotels/DtD)
-DL Guest Control
-Submarines
-Autopia (on DL Ops Chat)
-Jungle Cruise
-Foods (I believe the entire dept only uses one radio and that's for Foods 1)
-DL Fire Dept

I may be missing one or two as I am not near my scanner at the moment. But I have been going to the park about 2x a week for the past month and have observed and heard A LOT, feel free to reply or PM with any questions/comments.

I have heard from CMs that use the Nextels that they do not like them and they are not too reliable, which would explain why all the more "communications important" depts are still on MOT?

 

[WayneH]

I have heard from CMs that use the Nextels that they do not like them and they are not too reliable, which would explain why all the more "communications important" depts are still on MOT?

DL probably should have went with their own iDEN system versus expanding on to the Nextel network. The complexity with databases and interconnection could be creating complications.

Actually, what they should have done was stuck with their 900 system. I don't think they truly know what they have and how to take advantage of its features.

 

[Eng74]

Have to agree with you on the 900 system Wayne. I have been able to pic it up anywhere in the park and it clear. Cell service can be spoty depending where you are at and that is outdoors. I have verizon and there are some dead spots in the park back by small world and toon town.

 

[Mick]

A relative of mine who works full time on one of the rides just got new Nextel's in their dept. this week.

 

[Jurassic69]

A relative of mine who works full time on one of the rides just got new Nextel's in their dept. this week.

Which attraction and/or which park? Attractions are on the main Ops channel and with so many dead zones for Nextel, especially in attraction show buildings, I would doubt they are ready to switch Ops over to Nextel. A friend of mine who works on Jungle Cruise said they were all trained on Nextels about a month ago, but have yet to actually have or use one.

 

[Mick]

It's one of the "West side" attractions that my relative works on. He does not know if the "East Side" attractions have the new radios. I prefer not to list which ride he works on.

I'm logging the active TG's still heard on their TRS. In literally just the last 5-10 minutes I've logged these:

240 Red/Emergency
272 Blue/Security primary
304 Chat channel
368 Park ops
400 Park ops chat channel
432 purple/train central/monorail ops
496 facilities; “Maintenance Central” “Custodian 1 channel”
528 “Maintenance Center” work orders
592 Fire department
816 Hotel security///Downtown Disney Hotel security ops, Blue/
880 “Parade” units
944 Hotel security (816’s) chat channel/// DD Hotel security ops, chat
1168 Announcements/all call
1872 Chat channel
2096 “Hotel” Downtown Disney area
3696 DCA ops
3792 DCA chat “On chat”; 3696’s chat

I'll monitor couple of days and post another list of active TG's.

 

[Jurassic69]

It's one of the "West side" attractions that my relative works on. He does not know if the "East Side" attractions have the new radios. I prefer not to list which ride he works on.

I'm logging the active TG's still heard on their TRS. In literally just the last 5-10 minutes I've logged these:

240 Red/Emergency
272 Blue/Security primary
304 Chat channel
368 Park ops
400 Park ops chat channel
432 purple/train central/monorail ops
496 facilities; “Maintenance Central” “Custodian 1 channel”
528 “Maintenance Center” work orders
592 Fire department
816 Hotel security///Downtown Disney Hotel security ops, Blue/
880 “Parade” units
944 Hotel security (816’s) chat channel/// DD Hotel security ops, chat
1168 Announcements/all call
1872 Chat channel
2096 “Hotel” Downtown Disney area
3696 DCA ops
3792 DCA chat “On chat”; 3696’s chat

I'll monitor couple of days and post another list of active TG's.

880 is Guest Control for DL. You will either hear "Parade" or "Parade Route" units as they are doing guest control for parades and fireworks OR wyou will hear Fantasmic units starting in 3's. Fantasmic 3 is the head lead for guest control on the balcony above Riverbelle Terrace overseeing everything. Then You Have Fantasmic 31-35 assigned to lead different areas.

As I said earlier, 400 is DL Ops Chat yet also (God knows why) assigned to Autopia.

Listen long enough and you'll hear the submarines groupand the Jungle cruise group.

432 is just for Steam Trains and Monorail. Steam Trains are considered part of Adventureland attractions and Monorail is part of Tomorrowland. So you may occasionally hear Tomorrowland 1 and/or Adventure 1 on that channel.

 

[Jurassic69]

ALSO, the Dream Squad made the switch from MOT (Ops channel) to Nextel.

 

[WX4JCW]

Hopefully they Won't Do what the mouse house in Orlando did Mot P25 ENC

 

[WayneH]

Hopefully they Won't Do what the mouse house in Orlando did Mot P25 ENC

Thankfully Motorola doesn't do P25 on 900 so you won't see that.

 

[Mikek]

I'm wondering what model of Nextel handsets are being used. I've had Nextel service for close to 10 years and while they've had some 'beefy' stuff from time to time, I don't think any of their handsets would last very long in the hands of some of the kids working at D-Land...

Any ideas?

Also - is the plan really to move everyone to Nextel? I'd think that the talkgroup charges alone would hurt them for things like Security...

 

[b52hbuff]

With all due respect to the folks who have posted on the thread, I direct your attention to the RRDB page on the DLR TRS for the naming/usage of the various TGIDs. Unless someone has more 'official' sources, I think that they are more accurate that what has been passed around here.

As an FYI, I visited the DLR over the weekend. The general reporting in the last posts is accurate. My only addition is to correct some of the naming, and to add that the DLR FD TG:
1104 045 Fire 2
..was also active.

Misc notes...

I hear a custodial person's radio what I was in the restroom. I could hear the park wide announcement for a ride issue. So they must have the system's linked some how, because I could hear the same thing via my 396.

Someone told me the new monorails have a 'caddy' for the portable Nextel radios. I did hear the Trains and Monorails on their TGID, but I also hear some 'metallic'/raspy audio at times. I didn't know if this was characteristic of the iDen vocoder, but it sounded different than anything I've heard before. I was wondering if this might be some iDen patching issue?

I observed Nextel radios on ODV, custodial, and Grand California staff. During the weekend, I didn't hear any hotel traffic from any of the three hotels. I also didn't hear and ODV, or custodial traffic, so they must all be converted over to new radios. I didn't hear Entertainment, Special Events or Parade Ops talk groups.

I can confirm from the other posts that TPO/TPO Chat (for DL & DCA) were still on the TRS, as well as all of the maintenance/support talkgroups. The Adventureland/Jungle Cruise and Sub Base TGIDs were active.

 

[Mick]

I wonder which TG's I am hearing differently? Here are the only fully active TG's logged during the last 3 days, from about 16 hours a day (9 AM - 2 AM) monitoring:

240 Red/Emergency
272 Blue/Security primary
304 Chat channel
368 Park ops
400 Park ops chat channel
432 Train central/monorail ops
496 facilities; “Maintenance Central” “Custodian 1 channel”
528 utilities///Purple/parking “Maintenance Center”
560 “Maintenance Center” “Warehouse” units
592 Fire department
656 “Fantasmic” units
784 1 short conversation “Periphery Red”
816 Hotel security///Downtown Disney Hotel security ops, Blue/
880 “Parade” units
944 Hotel security (816’s) chat channel/// DD Hotel security ops, chat
1104 Fire Dept
1168 Announcements/all call
1392 Chat ch
1552 DCA “Maintenance Base”
1808 1 radio check w/a short conversation
1840 Presentation services
1872 Chat channel
2096 “Hotel” Downtown Disney area
2608 DL Hotel Emergency
3696 DCA ops; “Attractions” “Theme Park” & “Entertainment” units
3792 DCA waiting times///DCA chat “On chat”; 3696’s chat

These TG's keyed up once in 3 days but had no conversation:
720 "Radio check"
912
1232
1296
1360
1744
2704

With all due respect to the folks who have posted on the thread, I direct your attention to the RRDB page on the DLR TRS for the naming/usage of the various TGIDs. Unless someone has more 'official' sources, I think that they are more accurate that what has been passed around here.

As an FYI, I visited the DLR over the weekend. The general reporting in the last posts is accurate. My only addition is to correct some of the naming, and to add that the DLR FD TG:
1104 045 Fire 2
..was also active.

Misc notes...

I hear a custodial person's radio what I was in the restroom. I could hear the park wide announcement for a ride issue. So they must have the system's linked some how, because I could hear the same thing via my 396.

Someone told me the new monorails have a 'caddy' for the portable Nextel radios. I did hear the Trains and Monorails on their TGID, but I also hear some 'metallic'/raspy audio at times. I didn't know if this was characteristic of the iDen vocoder, but it sounded different than anything I've heard before. I was wondering if this might be some iDen patching issue?

I observed Nextel radios on ODV, custodial, and Grand California staff. During the weekend, I didn't hear any hotel traffic from any of the three hotels. I also didn't hear and ODV, or custodial traffic, so they must all be converted over to new radios. I didn't hear Entertainment, Special Events or Parade Ops talk groups.

I can confirm from the other posts that TPO/TPO Chat (for DL & DCA) were still on the TRS, as well as all of the maintenance/support talkgroups. The Adventureland/Jungle Cruise and Sub Base TGIDs were active.

 

[WayneH]

Someone told me the new monorails have a 'caddy' for the portable Nextel radios. I did hear the Trains and Monorails on their TGID, but I also hear some 'metallic'/raspy audio at times. I didn't know if this was characteristic of the iDen vocoder, but it sounded different than anything I've heard before. I was wondering if this might be some iDen patching issue?

I'm not up on my iDEN patching but typically any patching of a digital group/channel to an analog one will give you a raspy sound to the digital audio as it comes over the analog channel. If they're having coverage issues with some transmissions you'll certainly know it on the analog TG.

 

[Jurassic69]

When I was scanning there this past weekend, I head an all call come out clearing a paramedic run. I was standing next to a custodial CM with a Nextel. Just as soon as my All Call concluded, he got the same All Call. I think Control is just having to give out All Calls twice. First to MOT then to Nextel, shows where the priority still is

 

[b52hbuff]

I'm not up on my iDEN patching but typically any patching of a digital group/channel to an analog one will give you a raspy sound to the digital audio as it comes over the analog channel. If they're having coverage issues with some transmissions you'll certainly know it on the analog TG.

By 'raspy', I don't mean the metallic/digital quality you hear in the voice. I mean there was a loud 'feedback' sort of sound at the beginning of the transmission. I was wondering if it was the vocoder trying to sync up?

Anyway, it was a loud sound during which time the voice was unintelligible.