Icom: ICOM ID 5100 Deluxe Crossband?

[SirJ]

I got this radio a few months ago and decided its a better radio for the garage than vehicle.
I'd like to use xband repeater but i cant find settings for output PL

 

[AK9R]

With most cross-band repeaters, you set up one frequency on one side of the radio with appropriate PL settings and set up the other frequency on the other side with the appropriate PL settings. When either side transmits, the radio uses the tone set up for that side.

 

[SirJ]

This is exciting news to me but I’d like to share that this radio can pass p25 via cross band repeat in simplex mode of course

 

[k7ng]

ID-5100 doing P25? I don't think so. D-star maybe?

 

[SirJ]

ID-5100 doing P25? I don't think so. D-star maybe?

I’ll be happy to make a video later tonight but yes it definitely pass p25!

I guess I’m gonna have to RTFM but I don’t see a setting for my output for PL

 

[belvdr]

ID-5100 doing P25? I don't think so. D-star maybe?

If it's only doing simplex repeat, I don't see why it wouldn't work. Of course, the 5100 won't decode P25.

 

[k7ng]

Yeah, P25 will get through that way, after a fashion. If it works for what SirJ has in mind, great.

 

[KN4EHX]

Skip to about 8:30. According to this guy it can pass P25.

 

[vagrant]

It would be nice to actually see a video of P25 crossband versus claiming it does.

 

[KN4EHX]

Agreed. If anyone has one I’d like to have it confirmed. I’d buy one if it can be verified.

 

[AK9R]

Yes, actually showing it work would be much more enlightening that telling us it works.

For some reason, the guy thinks the ID-5100 can "pass digital because it's a digital radio". I don't think it being a digital radio has anything to do with it. If the crossband feature actually works for P25, it's possible that it's merely passing the audio without decoding it. If the ID-5100 has enough audio bandwidth and doesn't apply any pre- or de-emphasis, the data stream might remain intact.

Also, there's this: In a reply made three weeks ago to a comment asking the YouTuber to actually show the crossband P25 in action, the YouTuber stated "Sorry I have a complete internet connected P25 mobile hot-spot setup in the truck now so don't use the cross-band setup any longer."

 

[MTS2000des]

The 5100 crossband does in fact acts as a "bent pipe". It theoretically can pass any C4FM carrier, provided it is perfect and unmolested- as a bent pipe, it does nothing to correct errors and if ANYTHING is off (frequency, deviation, etc) you'll get nothing on the other end. The way Icom radios handle cross band repeat hasn't changed in decades. I have an IC-2410H that behaves the same way. Other manufacturers seem to apply pre-emphasis/de-emphasis and strip PL/DPL on receive then re-encode. The Kenwood radios do a spectacular job.