Idiot on Pasadena PD Radio

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Some stupid guy has been misusing the Pasadena Police radio frequencies. Last night (Thursday) I was scanning and picked up on some vulgar language, stopped to listen a little more and seems like he is really causing problems on the radio. He's using unit call signs and trying to interfere with the units and the dispatcher. He seems to have access to all of the Pasadena freqs.

I heard him again tonight and he's doing the same thing. Seems like he does this only at night. I wonder if they have multi-agency radios, maybe that's how this person got the radio.

Either way, I hope they catch this fool before he causes someone to get hurt or killed. Anyone else in the area picked up on this guy?
 

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I wonder if the radio police will haul him off!

That's a felony, right?
 

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Years ago, some radio-geek friends & I tracked down the young punk that stole a handheld public safety radio assigned to a volunteer firefighter out of the car the punk broke into. PD & FD were both on VHF, so the radio had most PD freqs & all area FD channels.

I first did traffic analysis -- what times was he getting on the radio? It was pretty clear he was still in school, because as soon as he'd get home from school in the afternoon, he'd fire up the radio for a while, then about 20 minutes later he'd get busy with other crap for a couple hours (plus his parents were probably home), and then fire up the radio again briefly around 9PM.

At one point, he keyed up over the fire chief. It was a simplex system, so we had the fire chief come to the police station, we all listened to the Datalogger recording several times, and it was clear that the handheld radio totally covered over the chief's transmission, which was also made by a handheld. Of course we knew where the base antenna was, so we now had some clues as to the distance away from the PD/FD dispatch center (& base station antenna on the roof) that the punk was.

Since he was pretending to be a firefighter, & trying to evoke some dialog, I got permission to pretend to be "radio repair" and lured him into further transmissions, which confirmed him being in a certain area. Once I pointed out a pretty specific area, PD had a good suspect in mind. We knew the battery on the radio had to be about ready to die, so we lured him into getting on the radio by having a PD car drive down his street with lights & sirens, and sure enough, the punk must have run into his bedroom because 15 seconds later he was on the radio again. By now, the battery was so dead that it would just key up for half a second when he tried to transmit, but that half-second was long enough for me to confirm the house in question, by being up against it with no antenna on my radio, and I was able to see those half-second keyups.

The police knocked on the door, talked to the parents & got permission to search the house, & they found the Motorola handheld plus a couple thousand dollars worth of cell phones, stereos, RADAR detectors, etc. that the punk had stolen out of cars in the community.

The kid never ended up facing any federal charges for the radio violations, but was busted for larceny, recovering & concealing, etc. and unfortunately remained a bad kid, who later served some prison time as an adult, and who knows what's going on with him now...


FCC Field Office (and there was a F.O. in the region, only about 35 air-miles away) was useless because the two or three engineers were hundreds of miles away working some other case.

While some/most of us that assisted were hams, most hams in general don't have RDF equipment or experience.

Our success was mostly due to that local police department putting some blind faith into us, giving us lots of support & trust, and that it was a fairy flat, rural area without a high population density.


I assume Pasadena uses numerous voted receive sites. Anyone smart there will be looking to see which receive sites are getting the bogus signals, & at what signal strengths, in order to make an educated guess as to what the ERP of the signal is (portable vs. mobile/base radio) & if the location is static or moving, then have people go out & monitor the channel inputs in those areas, trying not to tip-off the bad guy by driving around with yagis, etc. sticking out of the car windows...

The FCC, NASA's JPL radio engineers (or the JPL ham club), & other organizations in the area would have the equipment to RDF the signal pretty easily. A couple scanner-geeks or hams cold-calling the PD & offering to assist would probably be politely refused, because the do-gooders would be deemed suspect by the PD & not get the true level of cooperation necessary from the PD's radio techs to be helpful.

I wonder if Pasadena PD has got any union problems right now, or if they've recently fired an employee? If it's someone who is just messing with Pasadena PD & not a variety of other agencies that a modified ham radio could intrude upon, then it would seem to be someone who has somehow obtained a radio just programmed with Pasadena PD channels, or it could be a field-programmable radio, but the operator just hates Pasadena PD for some reason.


I assume the local media has picked up on this situation?

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The FCC takes interfering with Public Service frequencies very seriously. There are HAM operators out their that are spending a lot of years in jail with tens of thousands of dollars in fines for interferring with Public Service communications with modified radios.

Perhaps it is time Pasadena PD make the move over to the ICIS radio system. : O)
 

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From listening to this guys conversations, he doesn't sound well educated so I'm thinking it might be a stollen radio. He sometimes mixes Spanish with English and seems to favor the call sign PD1. He repeats "come in PD1, come in PD1" a lot then goes off into some jibberish.

Hopefully they'll catch him soon or the battery will just die and he can't use the radio anymore.
 

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I heard a little last night... He's a moron, so I'd vote for the stolen radio out of a car scenario. Unfortunately, unless somebody locally gets involved, it sometimes takes the FCC months to get around to people like that. Then when they do, they like to make it worth their while by taking even more time after they find him to let the person incriminate themselves and build a case. It's extremely hard to prove somebody has actually talked on the radio in court, so you really need some good evidence. He'll most likely lose interest before that.

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If the system were properly designed, the system operator could "kill" this radio as soon as it transmits.
 

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A similar thing happened to a large So. Cal coastal city and a city radio shop employee was able to DF the transmissions and witnessed the person speaking on the radio in his truck causing malicious interference to the PD. The PD showed up, found the radio programmed with the PD freqs and arrested the guy. The case was turned over to the FCC and they refused to get involved. I don't remember what they charged the guy with but I don't believe he spent very much time in jail.
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We have another IDIOT throwing musical carriers and making farting sounds on the FIRST ALARM Security UHF repeater up here in Santa Cruz. A friend of mine (who works there) says they have NO idea who it might be.

These days you don't need modified ham gear. CHEAP VHF and UHF HTs are imported from CHINA. Idiots can buy them on EBAY, for less than $100.00 each. The UHF rigs don't go above 470 mhz; so it's anybody's guess what this jerk is using on 480+ mhz.

Unfortunately, unless somebody locally gets involved, it sometimes takes the FCC months to get around to people like that.
Thats for darn sure. More than one IDIOT has been removed by self-policing vigilantees who got sick of the crap. On the other hand, they filed charges against a San Diego ham, who reported a mountain bike accident in a remote area. There was no Cell phone service; so he used the sheriff's air tac repeater on 2 meters instead. The county gave him a medal; but the feds crucified his butt on a technicality.


There are HAM operators out their that are spending a lot of years in jail with tens of thousands of dollars in fines for interferring with Public Service communications with modified radios.
One of them was Harold Claypool. This guy is a notorious drunk who raised H+D on the FBI's 167 mhz repeaters about 10 years ago. Lets talk about beoing a STUPID drug addict...
 

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Another infamous SoCal radio nut... Jack Gerritsen... Interfered with USCG distress calls and basically wreaked havoc on the radio for years before they finally put him away. I was told once that the FCC only has enough funds to do about two big prosecutions a year, so they have to pick wisely. Not sure if that's true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I've heard local radio people talk about setting up a local doppler net in the area a few times. That would make it a lot easier to find all kinds of problems. I don't know if the FCC has anything like that setup in any of the urban areas, but you'd think they would. I believe the USCG was working on setting up something like that to try and cut down on all the fake distress calls.

Funny thing about Pasadena... Their primitive (by today's standards) system is what actually makes it one of few basic, interesting systems left to listen to. Between text data and all the other stuff now, most systems don't broadcast nearly as much info.


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In So. Cal there are remote control DF systems that can locate a transmitter instantly from many mountain top and high building receiver locations. The first time I heard of the technology was in the early 1970s from a friend that was involved in the design of one system and in the 1980s a close friend got to see a similar system in action in an FCC station wagon where it was dialed up on a cell phone connected to a vehicle computer, frequency information was entered and when a test radio was keyed it showed the exact location on a map calculated from multiple sites contributing information. That particular system was operated by the DoD and is available to Fed Government users like the FCC. My friend was told at the time that similar DF systems are installed in many other large cities. Now 20 something years later I can only imagine the capability that is available for locating pesky transmitters.
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Another infamous SoCal radio nut... Jack Gerritsen... Interfered with USCG distress calls and basically wreaked havoc on the radio for years before they finally put him away. I was told once that the FCC only has enough funds to do about two big prosecutions a year, so they have to pick wisely. Not sure if that's true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I've heard local radio people talk about setting up a local doppler net in the area a few times. That would make it a lot easier to find all kinds of problems. I don't know if the FCC has anything like that setup in any of the urban areas, but you'd think they would. I believe the USCG was working on setting up something like that to try and cut down on all the fake distress calls.

Funny thing about Pasadena... Their primitive (by today's standards) system is what actually makes it one of few basic, interesting systems left to listen to. Between text data and all the other stuff now, most systems don't broadcast nearly as much info.


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Sometimes I wonder if the FCC goon squads are utterly incompetent!

We have had our very own illegal and unlicensed pirate radio station operating 24/7/365 for a dozen years. Everybody knows their telephone number and PO box. Many locals know where to find their studios in house behind one of the high schools. Everybody knows the real names of some the dee jays.

FRSC has received 5 shutdown letters. The G-men have been there 3 seperate times. Their last raid included US Marshals armed with fully-automatic M-4 assault rifles. Whats next, tanks? These pirates held a public rafio fund raiser in the NPR affiliates tradition. A punk rock group played a benifit concert in the veteran's hall.

It took about three weeks to get enough money for a brand new 50 watt transmitter, Radio Shack mixing board, mikes and CD players. They were back on the air and still no sign of the FCC four years later. Getting away with this is really easy, if you are less than a two hour car ride, from the FCC's field office in Hayward California. All of those other pirate stations close by in Berkeley, San Francisco and San Jose were silenced years ago.

In that case, I don't think they will catch that idiot who is jamming the First Alarm Security repeater either...

The network of pirate broadcasters has a website much like this one. They provide current details about federal raids and information about new bootleggers on the air...
 
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It is all about limited resources and priorities. The interferance with public service radio systems, (not private security business communications) are top priority. Unfortunately the FCC currently has three things working against it: Lack of experienced field agents, a new administration right around the corner (regardless of who wins the election), and the roll out of digital TV. According to a District Manager with the FCC they are currently focussed almost completely on the TV roll out until mid February. If the City complains to the FCC, and if they get the complaint referred to them from the FCC Offices in Gettysburg, they willi take all measures they can to find the perpetrator. They do not act on these independantly. That is how they are set up.
 

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In So. Cal there are remote control DF systems that can locate a transmitter instantly from many mountain top and high building receiver locations.
Considering how long it's been, and me personally being at a lot of the major LA and Orange sites, I'd say that capability is gone.

The local FCC monitoring post is a mess. The place is not taken care of and rarely visited. The log periodic they have is missing elements. It's pretty bad. The local field office is fairly close (15 min away) so they've no excuse for not keeping the place up.
 

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Is that the FCC's up on Verdes? I recall seeing a big log up there when I passed through a couple years back.


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I listened last night but did not hear anything unusual. Per the SoCalScan list, he was on Ch 1 and Ch 4 being vulgar and playing rap music. Hope they catch this idiot before somebody gets injured or killed due to his jamming.
 

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I've only heard him on weeknights after working hours, usually after 7 PM and on all of the Pasadena PD channels. I guess this is an indication that he at least has a job since he only does this at night.

On the other hand maybe he's been caught or the battery died. If I hear him again I'll post it here.

Correct. Darn encryption.

Has the guy still been keying up? On what channels? PPD 1? PPD 2? I want to listen to it for myself. Hah.
 
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