Interesting Anytone Termn-8r info

[12dbsinad]

UPDATE: It appears the OBLTR-8R has also been pulled from Amazon. Is not for sale from the website as of yet.

 

[FrankNY]

Thanks for the update.

I had been wondering why Amazon's TERMN-8R sales page was removed (back on Monday, April 20, as I recall), yet Amazon continued to offer the OBLTR-8R for sale, considering that the March 27 FCC dismissal letter applied to both products.

I believe that it took a day or two before direct sales, via the AnyTone Tech Web site with payment through PayPal, of the TERMN-8R commenced, so I would be inclined to guess that the same will happen here with the OBLTR-8R.

Frank.

 

[Voyager]

You know, wouldn't it be hilarious if the guy behind AnyTone Tech WAS the postmaster?

 

[FrankNY]

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Really.

Perhaps someone should start a pool? (Just kidding.)

Frank.

 

[hotdjdave]

Thanks for your response. I know I said I would not reply to rapidcharger, but I will reply to answer your response.

Yes, it's about control. The FCC doesn't want an FRS user connecting their radio to an external power amplifier or a high-mounted, gain antenna. By limiting the antenna connection on an FRS radio, the FCC limits the range of the radio's transmissions.

Agreed, but if someone is going to do it illegally, an FRS radio without an antenna won't stop them, they can just buy one of these cheep Chinese radios. I believe the rule is somewhat moot at this point.

Just because it isn't logical to you, doesn't mean that people are offering up illogical "excuses". The logic apparently makes perfectly good sense to the FCC for the FRS since it was intended as a limited-range, license-by-rule communications service.

Ok. I still believe it is no longer necessary since anyone can buy a radio and do it anyway, and for cheaper than an FRS radio. The same argument is made regarding the cellular frequency block on receivers - it's no longer necessary since cellular transmission is now digital and cannot be monitored. Maybe FRS radios will become obsolete before the rule does.

No, in order to use a transmitter, a person in the U.S. must either hold a valid license or be operating in a service that is licensed by rule. If the rules for whatever service the user is transmitting in allows removable antennas, then removable antennas are OK. But, if the rule specifically says "no removable antennas", then users must abide by the rule and the FCC has said that radios certificated for that service must abide by the rule. The reason is very simple--it's the rule. Any single radio manufacturer, importer, or retailer does not have the authority to simply ignore the rule and that goes for the users, too.

I agree. I think I thought it was implied that for a person to transmit, the person would either have to be licensed or operating of FRS. Following rules just for the rule's sake is not always logical. However, I never would imply that a manufacturer or seller should break any rules -- it is merely my opinion that this particular rule no longer has a purpose. Question: the rule is that manufacturers can't sell an FRS radio with a removable radio, but does it prohibit the user from adding an antenna?

To you, maybe. But, to the FCC, the people who make the rules, it's logical.

Sometimes rules become obsolete and need to be repealed or changed.

 

[AK9R]

Agreed, but if someone is going to do it illegally, an FRS radio without an antenna won't stop them, they can just buy one of these cheep Chinese radios. I believe the rule is somewhat moot at this point.

With no offense intended, this is the CB mentality in that if a rule is going to go un-enforced, then there's no need for the rule. I disagree. Without rules and rule-abiding users, we will have anarchy on the airwaves. Clearly, the FCC has a mandate from Congress to manage the radio spectrum and limiting the range of an FRS transmitter is one way that the FCC uses to carry out their mandate.

Question: the rule is that manufacturers can't sell an FRS radio with a removable radio, but does it prohibit the user from adding an antenna?

I believe the rule states that the antenna must be non-removable. There is no provision in the rule for user-removable antennas.

Sometimes rules become obsolete and need to be repealed or changed.

True. And any radio manufacturer, importer, or retailer is free to petition the FCC to change the rule. Said manufacturer, importer, or retailer is not free to simply ignore the rule. And, that, I think, is the essence of the complaints about Anytone Tech that you see in this forum.

 

[hotdjdave]

Thank you, Robert.

 

[Observer411]

See the prior postings - the FRS rules (Part 95b) do not apply to a radio that has never been a FRS radio. Also as stated before - why would you give out your address? We don't know how the business claims their address on their tax forms which is the only address that matters to the government. How many Amazon, eBay, and other online marketplaces reveal their address? If it's not a retail store we normally never even question it - but a few in here seem to want to zero in on this particular online seller.

 

[rapidcharger]

How many Amazon, eBay, and other online marketplaces reveal their address?

So what you're saying is there's no difference between a scummy anonymous marketplace seller than there is from Anyone Tech. That's the point that was being made for pages now.

 

[Observer411]

So what you're saying is there's no difference between a scummy anonymous marketplace seller than there is from Anyone Tech. That's the point that was being made for pages now.

Sure if that's why your panties are in a wad; let's agree - their Amazon feedback rating being at a perfect 100% certainly makes them seem like a scummy business.

 

[rapidcharger]

certainly makes them seem like a scummy business.

I would agree 100% Anytone tech looks scummy! Anytone Tech like a fly-by-night roofer working out of a motel room that makes all kinds of wild promises and they're not even licensed to do business.When the roof starts leaking, uh oh... they're gone. Just like Anytone Tech when the feds come looking.

So "Observer" why did your listings get pulled from amazon?

 

[Observer411]

I would agree 100% Anytone tech looks scummy! Anytone Tech like a fly-by-night roofer working out of a motel room that makes all kinds of wild promises and they're not even licensed to do business.When the roof starts leaking, uh oh... they're gone. Just like Anytone Tech when the feds come looking.

So "Observer" why did your listings get pulled from amazon?

Having a conspiracy about me now Rapidcharger; 100% gives me confidence that you are so full of crap. When I can have wihtout a doubt say that I am a California citizen living in the desert (which is more information than I should frankly be giving you) - and you have to attack my integrity -- it shows that you have a paranoia like none other. If I wanted to start rumors like you so flippantly do; I would bet you are a vendor trying to attack a competitor. But the reality is - I have no idea who you are other than you sure do say a lot of things that aren't true (see prior pages). You have picked fights with any one who engages in any reasoning and will change topics quickly when you are proven to be a liar.

Remember you have raised questions here and like to say "show me proof" - I would like to say where is your proof of authority sir/ma'am? What type of agenda do you have?

 

[12dbsinad]

The question you need to all ask yourself is, why are they still marketing and selling radios not type accepted. They are not compliant today as marketed. End of story. It doesn't matter on one's "personal" opinion or their view of the rules. So, either you accept the fact that they are doing this, or you call them out. What seems strange is there is no communications between Anytone Tech and the consumers. Other then the TERMN-8R should be back on Amazon within a few days back when it was pulled, which has yet to happen. Now the OBLTR-8R has been pulled. That info was only posted on their facebook page.

 

[Titan520]

Well said. Some claim the FCC pulled it wrongfully. I've even seen people claim the engineer was paid off by a competitor. Either way, legit it not. The radio is as of right now not legal.

Even if they didnt do anything wrong before. Becuase lets face it, until the FCC rules one way or the other, its still only theories and guesswork. However educated those guesses may be. They are definitely doing something wrong now. It doesn't matter which grounds the certification was pulled on. It was pulled, end of story. Anyone sane, would lean back and wait for the verdict. But no, they keep selling them even when they've been told to to. Thats shady.

 

[cmdrwill]

But no, they keep selling them even when they've been told to to. Thats shady.

been told NOT to sell them

 

[FrankNY]

I've even seen people claim the engineer was paid off by a competitor.

A federal government staff member accepting a bribe?

 

[MTS2000des]

The question you need to all ask yourself is, why are they still marketing and selling radios not type accepted. They are not compliant today as marketed. End of story.

THIS IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

What seems strange is there is no communications between Anytone Tech and the consumers.

Not strange at all. This company is a flagrant violator of the law. They essentially give the middle finger to the FCC even after being told not to sell the radios.

Doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is of the rules, they are what they are. As far as the ludicrous assertion that some competitor has paid off the FCC or one of it's employees, this would be believable if this were some cellular cartel wanting another 20MHz of spectrum.

But this stuff isn't in the same league. and their competitors don't have bank accounts fat enough to even get the a seat at the golden table the telecom cartels sit at.

Nice try deflecting the issue though.

 

[toastycookies]

But no, they keep selling them even when they've been told to to. Thats shady.

they were told they were not allowed to sell them to "the general public" from the day the FCC cert was granted.

 

[FrankNY]

As of a few minutes ago, links to purchase both the OBLTR-8R and the TERMN-8R have been removed from the "Purchase AnyTone Tech Radios and Accessories" page on the AnyTone Tech Web site.

It currently says: "Back Online May 27th".

Frank.

 

[happystuff]

I wonder what's so special about May 27th?