Interesting Anytone Termn-8r info

[rapidcharger]

I guess the Motorola radios that have FPP are illegal too, then?

Correct.

They're a little different in that they don't have a vfo but unless you're a federal agent it would still be a violation of the rules.

One prominent Motorola that comes to mind is the gp68.
Not certified and even if it was the operator is breaking the rules.

 

[rapidcharger]

I understand. So it's a dongle that makes it FPP, thus illegal. Yet the FCC has no issues with that.

The radios are in compliance with part ninety because of the dongle and you can legally opaerate one without a dongle. Put the dongle on and you're breakin' the law to operate it that way. I'm sure the fcc does care but has no practical way to enforce it.

 

[prcguy]

I had countless Racal/Thales T25 handhelds and every one is wide open with full programming from the radio keypad. What about BK/Relm handhelds that you simply short out two contacts on the mic jack to enter the keypad programming mode?
prcguy

 

[teufler]

Remember the Wilson wh2510 radios. There was a jumper wire that was cut after programming. Course changes to the program, required the rtadios to be removed, so techs hust installed another external speaker jack. The speaker was wired to the jumper cables. If you plugged in a shorted out speaker plug, the radio was programmable. Motorola just had a shxt fit over what the radio was capable of doing. At the time, Motorola and Ge and RCA made trunk mount radios. This was an under the dash unit. It was 25 watts, if you neded more power, a 100 watt amp was offered. It was full programmable, split frequencies, sub tones, and the unit could scan. Not fast by todays standards but in the early 70's, it was a step forward.

 

[rapidcharger]

I had countless Racal/Thales T25 handhelds and every one is wide open with full programming from the radio keypad. What about BK/Relm handhelds that you simply short out two contacts on the mic jack to enter the keypad programming mode?
prcguy

What about it?
A field programmable radio, doesn't matter the country of origin or the price tag... NOT LEGAL TO USE ON PART 90.

 

[mancow]

What about it?
A field programmable radio, doesn't matter the country of origin or the price tag... NOT LEGAL TO USE ON PART 90.

The password or dongle to short out the side pins satisfies the part 90 requirements. Numerous local agencies used the BK radios. You can order DPHX5102X-CMD right now and carry it on duty.

 

[rapidcharger]

The password or dongle to short out the side pins satisfies the part 90 requirements. Numerous local agencies used the BK radios.

It satisfies the requirements to obtain part 90 certification but it does maintain compliance with part 90 if kept as a FPP radio.

 

[mancow]

It satisfies the requirements to obtain part 90 certification but it does maintain compliance with part 90 to keep it as a FPP radio.
Some agencies are exempt.

 

[Titan520]

I wonder what the FCC would say about the Tytera MD-380. Its not FPP, but if you program in a channel via pc, you can edit that channel from the key pad. Its not frequancy agile, and it cant be used in a conventional FPP sense since while you're in "fpp" mode, you can't transmit or receive. Basically just FPRP, front panel reprogrammable.

 

[Voyager]

I think the FCC needs to worry more about illegal use and not technology. It's the same as the age old argument that guns should be illegal because so many people were killed by them, but the same argument can be made about cars and aircraft.

Anytime you try to regulate advancements in technology, you will fail.

Instead, they should embrace the technology which will pinpoint an illegal transmitter in seconds.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

I wonder what the FCC would say about the Tytera MD-380. Its not FPP, but if you program in a channel via pc, you can edit that channel from the key pad. Its not frequancy agile, and it cant be used in a conventional FPP sense since while you're in "fpp" mode, you can't transmit or receive. Basically just FPRP, front panel reprogrammable.

It can be done with some of Motorola's XPR radios as well. Reverts to programming after s power cycle though.


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[Titan520]

It can be done with some of Motorola's XPR radios as well. Reverts to programming after s power cycle though.


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Dont even have to power cycle, just exit the menu with the back button.

 

[KT0DD]

I have a feeling when the TERMN-8R and OBLTR-8R come back, it will be sans Part 95 approval and will be just another China Part 90 approved radio like the Anytone AT-3318.

 

[prcguy]

I strongly believe it will be back with part 90 and part 95 for GMRS and MURS. If the radio can be isolated and fixed for each service with the proper power levels, deviation, channel increments, VFO lockout, etc at boot up then why would it not be eligible for type acceptance?
prcguy

I have a feeling when the TERMN-8R and OBLTR-8R come back, it will be sans Part 95 approval and will be just another China Part 90 approved radio like the Anytone AT-3318.

 

[R8000]

Anytone. Hrm. I had a browse of this place on Anytonetech . com and check out the "about us" section.

Oh look :

"AnyTone Tech is a different type of company. When our company was being established our founder made a promise to God that if God would prosper our business he would honor God in any way he could. God has consistently done His part and, with His help, we do ours to the best of our ability."

Sorry. I am interested in ham radio, not a bible study. Words can not tell you how non interested I am now with this company.

Give me a break. Shoving religion down our throats now ? What ? They rely on a prayer to sell these things ? LOL.

 

[Voyager]

Makes perfect sense, as so many are saying he doesn't have a prayer of getting T/A.

 

[KT0DD]

I'm just thinking that if the FCC is really going to crack down on these Part 90 imports as was mentioned earlier in this topic, The FCC may niggle Anytone Tech to death with details and argue the definition of their rules to the point where it's no longer cost effective for him to pursue it.

As far as these radios having a removable antenna yet being able to transmit on FRS channels being a roadblock to certification, they're no different than any other part 90 Chicom radio so that argument is a non starter.

What gets me is the stink being raised over having these radios non-field programmable via the keypad when in today's world most tech savvy people will have a laptop and buy the software and cable to program these radios any way they like. It actually makes things easier for many people (including me) to just hook up to the PC and program away.

The only way to put any teeth into this rule is to pass another rule stating only FCC licensed radiotelecom techs have access to the software and cables. This will never happen.

 

[prcguy]

I'm not aware of any FCC rule that requires an FCC licensed person to perform any radio tasks these days. You can be in charge and in complete control of a high power TV, FM broadcast or satellite uplink transmitter making repairs and adjustments with no license needed. Same with repairing or programming two way radios.
prcguy

I'm just thinking that if the FCC is really going to crack down on these Part 90 imports as was mentioned earlier in this topic, The FCC may niggle Anytone Tech to death with details and argue the definition of their rules to the point where it's no longer cost effective for him to pursue it.

As far as these radios having a removable antenna yet being able to transmit on FRS channels being a roadblock to certification, they're no different than any other part 90 Chicom radio so that argument is a non starter.

What gets me is the stink being raised over having these radios non-field programmable via the keypad when in today's world most tech savvy people will have a laptop and buy the software and cable to program these radios any way they like. It actually makes things easier for many people (including me) to just hook up to the PC and program away.

The only way to put any teeth into this rule is to pass another rule stating only FCC licensed radiotelecom techs have access to the software and cables. This will never happen.

 

[AK9R]

As far as these radios having a removable antenna yet being able to transmit on FRS channels being a roadblock to certification, they're no different than any other part 90 Chicom radio so that argument is a non starter.

Your statement that they're no different than any other Part 90 Chinese radio doesn't apply because FRS is not Part 90. FRS is Part 95B. You seem to be saying that because the other Chinese "Part 90" radios are getting away with it, AnytoneTech should be able to get away with it, too. However, from what we can tell, AnytoneTech got caught. Sounds like the FCC finally wised up.

Part 95B states in 95.194 (c) "You may not attach any antenna, power amplifier, or other apparatus to an FRS unit that has not been FCC certified as part of that FRS unit." That would seem to preclude an FRS radio having a detachable antenna. None of the Chinese radios that have detachable antennas meet the rules for Part 95B. This would seem to be a simple, basic, easily-understood concept. But, maybe not.

 

[KT0DD]

You missed my point. My point is that they would have to make ALL the current Chinese radios that have a removeable antenna and are FRS transmit capable illegal. They would have to revoke Wouxun, Baofeng, Quasheng etc certifications as well as they all are FRS capable with a removeable antenna. Yet, they have been allowed by the FCC so the FCC can't discriminate based on this alone. I think a lawyer could take that to court.


I'm not inferring that the other chicom radios are Part 95 approved. I am talking that they are legal for sale in general.