Interesting Anytone Termn-8r info

[KT0DD]

I'm not aware of any FCC rule that requires an FCC licensed person to perform any radio tasks these days. You can be in charge and in complete control of a high power TV, FM broadcast or satellite uplink transmitter making repairs and adjustments with no license needed. Same with repairing or programming two way radios.
prcguy

I admit I may be behind the times on these requirements. I just remember that in the 1970's during the CB madness that the rules stated that any Part 95 radio could not be worked on by the end user and any technical adjustments had to be done by a licensed technician. I didn't know that they did away with this, and also with other services.

 

[12dbsinad]

You missed my point. My point is that they would have to make ALL the current Chinese radios that have a removeable antenna and are FRS transmit capable illegal. They would have to revoke Wouxun, Baofeng, Quasheng etc certifications as well as they all are FRS capable with a removeable antenna. Yet, they have been allowed by the FCC so the FCC can't discriminate based on this alone. I think a lawyer could take that to court.


I'm not inferring that the other chicom radios are Part 95 approved. I am talking that they are legal for sale in general.

I am not quite sure what you are saying here. NONE of the other ChiCom radios that are part 90 capable claim to be part 95B certified (that I know of) for FRS use. Even though ALL the radios are capable of programming the frequencies, they are not legal to use. Anytone Tech radios are no different. They "claimed" to be part 90 and part 95 (GMRS,MURS) NOT part 95B (FRS).

 

[KT0DD]

My point is...What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The question is whether or not these radios will be allowed to come back at all in whatever approval form. If the FCC tries to tie Anytone tech up with the technicality that they have FRS TX capability and a removeable antenna (lets forget for a moment anything related to asking for Part 95 approval) They cannot do it based on this alone as other radios have been OK'd for sale by the FCC.


I'm beginning to believe the biker saying...."If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand"...lol

 

[KT0DD]

I just think that some of this is sooo ridiculous. My taxpayer dollars are being spent on something like this is and it's just as ridiculous as the pork barrel grants that paid to measure how much and how often a cow farts and measure their methane level and also as dumb as paying a bunch of my tax money to build a bridge to nowhere.

These are walkie talkies...how many hundreds of thousands will be spent before this is settled?

 

[rapidcharger]

Anytone. Hrm. I had a browse of this place on Anytonetech . com and check out the "about us" section.

Oh look :

"AnyTone Tech is a different type of company. When our company was being established our founder made a promise to God that if God would prosper our business he would honor God in any way he could. God has consistently done His part and, with His help, we do ours to the best of our ability."

Sorry. I am interested in ham radio, not a bible study. Words can not tell you how non interested I am now with this company.

Give me a break. Shoving religion down our throats now ? What ? They rely on a prayer to sell these things ? LOL.

I guess you missed this that was printed in their instruction manuals...

I think they need to re-read their own instructions, admit they are a sinner and get familiarized with thou shalt not lie and thou shalt not steal.

You missed my point. My point is that they would have to make ALL the current Chinese radios that have a removeable antenna and are FRS transmit capable illegal. They would have to revoke Wouxun, Baofeng, Quasheng etc certifications as well as they all are FRS capable with a removeable antenna. Yet, they have been allowed by the FCC so the FCC can't discriminate based on this alone. I think a lawyer could take that to court.


I'm not inferring that the other chicom radios are Part 95 approved. I am talking that they are legal for sale in general.

They aren't legal for sale.
They aren't certified for part 95 and their certifications for part 90 are about to get taken away too and they have anytone tech to thank for that.

I just think that some of this is sooo ridiculous. My taxpayer dollars are being spent on something like this is and it's just as ridiculous as the pork barrel grants that paid to measure how much and how often a cow farts and measure their methane level and also as dumb as paying a bunch of my tax money to build a bridge to nowhere.

These are walkie talkies...how many hundreds of thousands will be spent before this is settled?

So some greedy slimeballs got in there are tried to pull a fast one over on the consumer and the FCC and it is the FCC's fault for enforcing the law? There might be monetary forfeitures that recover those expenses.

 

[nd5y]

I'm not aware of any FCC rule that requires an FCC licensed person to perform any radio tasks these days.

Commercial Radio Operator License Program: Who Needs a License

 

[KT0DD]

I guess you missed this that was printed in their instruction manuals...

They aren't legal for sale.
They aren't certified for part 95 and their certifications for part 90 are about to get taken away too and they have anytone tech to thank for that.

I don't think the FCC should eliminate the better radios out there like Baofeng/Wouxun. I've had good luck with them.

Of course, we're going to end up in a shooting war with China anyway according to the news....lol...

Motorola/Kenwood shouldn't be allowed to corner the market and set the price in the thousands of dollars.

 

[nd5y]

I don't think the FCC should eliminate the better radios out there like Baofeng/Wouxun.

If you think Baofeng and Wouxun are better then what brands do you consider low end or low quality?

 

[KT0DD]

It's a terrible thing to have to live in fear of your government. The bad part is there's no "New World" to move to.

In today's world you have to fear the police as much as the Bandidos biker club.

I think a freshman college level class needs to be required teaching to senior year high school stidents in order for them to survive in this chaotic lawyer/lawsuit driven world.

Anyway..I'm off topic. I'd like to see the TERMN-8R come back with full approval so the cold war era curmudgeons would have to accept change.

I await the outcome. 73.

 

[R8000]

It's a terrible thing to have to live in fear of your government. The bad part is there's no "New World" to move to.

In today's world you have to fear the police as much as the Bandidos biker club.

I think a freshman college level class needs to be required teaching to senior year high school stidents in order for them to survive in this chaotic lawyer/lawsuit driven world.

Anyway..I'm off topic. I'd like to see the TERMN-8R come back with full approval so the cold war era curmudgeons would have to accept change.

I await the outcome. 73.

Yes, you are now off topic. We don't need an education on your views on how government should work according to your views.

This is a radio monitoring website. There are other websites you can discuss your views on government on. Please consider taking it to one of them.

 

[KT0DD]

Doesn't the power feel exhilarating to you?

 

[KT0DD]

Ok, Ok,,,I'm done.

 

[rapidcharger]

I don't think the FCC should eliminate the better radios out there like Baofeng/Wouxun. I've had good luck with them.

Motorola/Kenwood shouldn't be allowed to corner the market and set the price in the thousands of dollars.

You keep missing the point. This isn't the fcc ganging up on some manufacturers because they're from China. Those brands brought this upon themselves by trying to skirt the rules rather than comply with them and using deception to mislead consumers. Motorola and Kenwood didn't do that. They strictly adhered to the rules and made sure their radios met the standards and were compliant, while the other brands you mentioned didn't. It's that simple and if it weren't for a simple inquiry into the legality of those radios, they would have continued to fly under the radar. I repeat, it was nothing more than a sweet innocent inquiry as to whether those radios were legal to use that set off a chain of events that will knock down the house of cards. It wasn't even a complaint.

 

[MTS2000des]

I am glad the FCC is finally putting questionable claims under the microscope. It's long time the games come to an end.

Untrained and unauthorized persons should not be programming or meddling with professional radios, which is what part 90 stuff is, plain and simple. Part 95 has the restrictions in place to prevent the same persons from doing things with the radios that can be harmful to themselves or others.

These aren't cellphones that are under strict control of a network operator, these types of radios can allow an untrained user to do unknowingly put them on frequencies that are used by life safety services, or cause harmful interference to legitimate users of the spectrum who paid good money for proper licensing, coordination, and buildout of their LMR system(s).

The elephant has been awoken and is now in the room. Who he will step on remains to be seen.

Anytone Tech has no one to blame but themselves for their dubious claims and questionable marketing.

 

[KT0DD]

I need to watch what I say right now because I'm so furiously P*** off at some others snide comments on here that I may need blood pressure meds now and the 911 button is on standby right now in case my anger gives me a cardiac arrest.

Technology has come so far that there is no reason why these radios cannot be made compliant. If the technology is available to let an Iphone do what it does for under $800 then there is absolutely no reason why these can't be made compliant. Someone argued that there's no comparison between a closed cell system and an open airwaves system. I WASN"T TALKING ABOUT THAT!!!!! I was talking about the technology itself!!!

I heard an Idea once that an FCC identifier signal could be pre programmed into a radio and much like a CTCSS or DCS tone, it could automatically be transmitted instantly upon pushing the PTT button by a radio so it would identify itself as a legal type accepted radio. If this is what it takes...so be it.

I just think it's ridiculous to have to carry 4-5 different radios at once to be legally compliant. Kludgy and cumbersome and unprofessional looking to say the least.

Everyone on here knows my thoughts and that's enough. I'm done until the truth of the final release of the TERMN-8R is known. Then I'll eat crow or laugh my a** off. I'm off to eham for now.

 

[KT0DD]

It is so funny and Ironic right now...I'm scanning FRS channel 1 and a bunch of kids are talking like when I was a kid with a 27mhz channel 14 walkie talkie. Where's the FCC now? Let's take these 8 year old kids and throw them in SUPERMAX prison in Canyon City Colorado with the shoe bomber!....NOT! That's what some on here would want!

 

[AK9R]

I need to watch what I say right now...

Three messages prior to this one, you said you were done.

...because I'm so furiously P*** off at some others snide comments on here that I may need blood pressure meds now and the 911 button is on standby right now in case my anger gives me a cardiac arrest.

Please spare us the dramatics.

Technology has come so far that there is no reason why these radios cannot be made compliant.

That is true. It is certainly technically feasible to construct a radio which meets Part 90, Part 95A (GMRS), Part 95J (MURS), and Part 97 (which requires no certification, but any amateur radio transciever that scans has to meet Part 15). Any such radio would probably have to operate in one service at a time and require a "reboot" to switch to a different service. However, Part 95B (FRS) still requires a non-removable antenna, so meeting FRS rules does present some mechanical and RF design challenges.

I heard an Idea once that an FCC identifier signal could be pre programmed into a radio and much like a CTCSS or DCS tone, it could automatically be transmitted instantly upon pushing the PTT button by a radio so it would identify itself as a legal type accepted radio. If this is what it takes...so be it.

Being able to identify the radio over the air really isn't necessary. What is necessary is for manufacturers and importers to meet the FCC rules without trying to circumvent them or "fly under the radar".

I just think it's ridiculous to have to carry 4-5 different radios at once to be legally compliant. Kludgy and cumbersome and unprofessional looking to say the least.

There are single-band UHF radios that meet Part 90 and Part 95A already. These radios could also be used in Part 97. That cuts down your number of radios from 4-5 to 2-3.

As for it being "ridiculous", tell the FCC. They are the ones who make the rules. If you don't like the rules, petition the FCC to change them. Make your case and file the appropriate paperwork. But don't expect to violate the FCC's rules without exposing yourself or your employer to possible fines and loss of license.

 

[AK9R]

I'm scanning FRS channel 1 and a bunch of kids are talking like when I was a kid with a 27mhz channel 14 walkie talkie.

How do you know they aren't using legal Part 95B radios? This thread is about whether or not a piece of equipment meets the hardware requirements for the radio services its importer claimed it met. This thread is not about the nature of the communications transmitted with those radios.

BTW, you said you were done.

 

[rapidcharger]

It is so funny and Ironic right now...I'm scanning FRS channel 1 and a bunch of kids are talking like when I was a kid with a 27mhz channel 14 walkie talkie. Where's the FCC now? Let's take these 8 year old kids and throw them in SUPERMAX prison in Canyon City Colorado with the shoe bomber!....NOT! That's what some on here would want!

How do you know they aren't using legal Part 95B radios? This thread is about whether or not a piece of equipment meets the hardware requirements for the radio services its importer claimed it met. This thread is not about the nature of the communications transmitted with those radios.

BTW, you said you were done.

But it illustrates so perfectly why the rules exist in the first place.
Keep them at a half a watt with nonremovable antenna. We don't need that interfering with the ambulance that is responding to kt0dd's cardiac arrest call.
There's a reason frs is not intended to be a long range radio service and why certain radios are not for sale to the general publc

 

[toastycookies]

But it illustrates so perfectly why the rules exist in the first place.
Keep them at a half a watt with nonremovable antenna. We don't need that interfering with the ambulance that is responding to kt0dd's cardiac arrest call.
There's a reason frs is not intended to be a long range radio service and why certain radios are not for sale to the general publc

And unfortunately this leads us to a crazy winding path onto a very controversial matter.
I know this is very off topic but I will try to get lightly into it anyways and try to keep it very simple.
Things are getting easier for us.
On the plus side we can now do helpful things easier than ever possible.
But with that comes a downfall.
It is also very easy to cause interference and situations which may be hurtful to others without even knowing.
It is a very slippery slope somewhere between a police state as with the futuristic approach as depicted as "pre-crime" prevention shown in the movie Minority Report I think it was / aka a police state, and Freedom.

People without malicious intent can cause great harm to others without even knowing it.

The question is should we legislate against it and why.

We make laws for people to protect themselves against themselves nowadays. Think seatbelt laws/helmet laws/eyeglasses prescription laws.

My question and fear is how far will this go?

I know this post is now WAY off topic and a mod can delete if wanted.
Just have been thinking about this recently and I do not see a simple solution.

As you can see from my previous posts I was very questionable about Anytonetechs business practices and still am so. They tried to skirt around the law and are now paying the price for it.

But some of the greatest people who have ever lived have done just that and, I think, have made the world a better place.
The USA would not exist if not for this. Underground Railroad. People hiding Jews from the SS during that whole period...


When do we allow ourselves to control ourselves and when do we ask another entity to do so for us?

Somehow a healthy balance must be found.


I wish we could all just stop being dicks to one another.