Inverted V for 10 Meters in the Attic?

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ManicMechanic

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Returning back to Ham radio after a 40 year hiatus. Looking for input on the potential use of an inverted V for 10 meters placed in the attic. My attic is not the most antenna friendly place for a conventional horizontal dipole (i.e. HVAC, misc wiring, etc.), but it does have a rather high center gable. My design is to make a 90 degree inverted V dipole. Apex will be 25-30 feet above the ground which would then put the end of the elements approximately 5 feet below that. Further, in lieu of tethering the ends of the elements to the floor of the attic I was instead going to use a piece of PVC pipe and connect the ends of the legs directly to that at the correct geometrical distance. The PVC is nonconductive and will act as the "base" of the triangle while maintaining the correct antenna configuration. That would also simplify final tuning.
 

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Returning back to Ham radio after a 40 year hiatus. Looking for input on the potential use of an inverted V for 10 meters placed in the attic. My attic is not the most antenna friendly place for a conventional horizontal dipole (i.e. HVAC, misc wiring, etc.), but it does have a rather high center gable. My design is to make a 90 degree inverted V dipole. Apex will be 25-30 feet above the ground which would then put the end of the elements approximately 5 feet below that. Further, in lieu of tethering the ends of the elements to the floor of the attic I was instead going to use a piece of PVC pipe and connect the ends of the legs directly to that at the correct geometrical distance. The PVC is nonconductive and will act as the "base" of the triangle while maintaining the correct antenna configuration. That would also simplify final tuning.

That sound like a plan. Inverted-V antennas tend to be more omni-directional than a dipole, and radiates equally in all directions. But all of the conductive items in the attic may alter that a bit.

The "V" configuration has a shortening effect, in that, you will probably have to shorten the elements to bring the operating frequency to the right frequency. Again, the nearby conductive items in the attic may alter that a bit.

As long as you keep the apex angle between 70 and 110 degrees, the antenna should work fine. Below 70 Degrees the radiators start to become parallel to each other and signal canceling will start to occur. Above 110 Degrees the antenna starts looking like a standard dipole.

You can tie the coax directly to the wires at the feed point. However, it is best to use a 1:1 balun at the feed point. The normal feed impedance for a dipole is around 70 Ohms, but the "V" configuration tends to reduce that and can give you a very nice 50 Ohm impedance.

Martin - K7MEM
 

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Martin - Thanks for your input. Let me add some additional information on my design. Indeed, it is my intention to use a 1:1 current balun. I don't expect to ever run more than 50 watts which should not generate an RF or fire hazard condition. Further, since I'm suspending the whole thing from the apex point and the ends are tethered to the PVC "spacer bar" and nowhere near anything combustible I should be in good shape. Can't possibly think the PVC would heat to any appreciable level from RF to cause a problem, especially in contrast to attic heat during an average Texas summer.

Thanks and regards,
Bob - KG5LFD
 

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Can you get a "TV" antenna outside or do you have HOA issues? My friend had good results using a TV antenna mounted on a 10 foot PVC pipe. Inside the pipe was his hidden 10 meter radiator, and part of the "coax" became the other half of his dipole! ;)
 

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SpaceMann - I like that idea of hiding an antenna in the mast.. Very clever. While I am not directly aware of any specific HOA restriction, when looking around the subdivision I don't see a single sky hook on any home. There is probably a meaning in there somewhere. FWIW, I have installed a VENTENNA for 2m/440 and I love it. Performs very well. Feed line drops down through plumbing vent stack. Installed a "T" in attic and fished line through. Capped "T" with PVC cap. Total stealth. Check out their website. They have some "interesting" customers.

Bob - KG5LFD
 

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Go for it!
I used an inverted vee much like what you described, and my first contact was Alaska from Georgia. Worked plenty of Europeans, South Americans etc.. It's all about band conditions. You have to catch the band openings when they happen. Of course it won't work like my outside dipole at 45 feet or my hex beam, but on 10 when the band is open you will be amazed at what you can do.
Keep in mind we are going into the downside of the current solar cycle, so contacts above 14 MHz will be more challenging the next few years.
BG..
 

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SpaceMann - I like that idea of hiding an antenna in the mast.. Very clever. While I am not directly aware of any specific HOA restriction, when looking around the subdivision I don't see a single sky hook on any home. There is probably a meaning in there somewhere. FWIW, I have installed a VENTENNA for 2m/440 and I love it. Performs very well. Feed line drops down through plumbing vent stack. Installed a "T" in attic and fished line through. Capped "T" with PVC cap. Total stealth. Check out their website. They have some "interesting" customers.

Bob - KG5LFD
Well you could always use 8 1/2 feet of wire inside the PVC pipe somewhere else!, If you have a deck, you can disguise it by gluing artificial flowers and vines all over it! Also, you could use the PVC as a "flag pole" in front of your place, or outside one of your windows! ;)
 

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The QSL.net site about "Bent Dipoles" covers just about every way to fit a dipole into a limited space. For what you are considering: look under "Horizontal" and select "V-dipole". There you can see the change in far field radiation characteristics plotted in steps of 15 degrees bend up or down. The polar graphs and 3D patterns show the typical dipole shape tilts a bit upward for a down-bend and visa-versa for up-bend.

For shortened dipole you might take a look at getting a true dipole performance under "Slow-Wave" for either "Catenary" or "Zig-Zag".

For an even smaller foot print with mixed horizontal and vertical polarization, a look at "L-dipole" in its various forms might be something of interest.

Center-fed dipoles graphic
 
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