Danny37
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Well that wasn't smart, he just leaked his "you know what"
Is NYPD Finally going P25
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Well as of this graduating academy class APX NEXTs are in the wild for the department which leads me to believe the APX900s arent the ideal soution for what PD has in store for us. I assume they made this move to fuse department apps and features into the device as well as have radio communication. one less thing the cops carry by the looks of it.
I was speaking to someone from the department about this a few days ago. They did start issuing the APX NEXT to new recruits (why, I do not not know) complete over kill radio, not even figuring in the cost factor. He also said that the move to encryption may not happen after all. Apparently there has been a lot of push back against it, both internally and from the public. Take that for what it’s worth.
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From my understanding the NEXT is gonna be piloted as a 2 for 1 special, seeing as they may want to move department phones and radios into 1 device. I got wind this was discussed and as mentioned many times before with the APX900s only supporting 32 key slots, 70+ channels can't easily be compressed considering the volume of radio traffic they emit. So far in the field are VX-800s, VX-p824s, VX-537s, APX900s, APX6000s M3.5, APX7000s M1.5. Believe it or not I've even seen issued VX-p924s as well to the NYPD. Only a select few have em
It wouldn't be so much of an issue if they didn't insist on using a different key on just about every channel.
I mean it’s like using the same password for all your bank accounts… kept very very safe but not a smart move
No Ira, it's nothing like that.
west5alpha
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It’s no big deal about encryption, a fella can’t understand what they saying they use such ****ty radios as well as nyfd ****ty radios
but there's an issue that arises with that. Again, with the APX900s supporting only 32 key slots, with over 70 channels, would make it only possible to section off keyloading per MOS per command. A) Far too costly with time and money, and B) not deemed Efficient for their capacity of both radio traffic and channel capacity. The only radios they currently have that MAY be upgraded to support over 32 keys are the APX6000 M3.5s, APX7000s M1.5s, and the NEXT. All listed can do p25 but again 32 slots on the APX900 doesn't make it a good option for encryption rollout. With only about 8000 APX900s currently deployed, not sure what they're gonna do seeing they've got the NEXT being issued to the academy classes.
@carlos7801 my point is that they do not need 32 or more keys, that is ridiculous. I could see a patrol key, a Narocotcs key, IAB, etc but every precinct doesn't need their own key.
The only thing that does is make programming and interoperability a pain in the ass. If an individual is enterprising enough to get one key, he is enterprising enough to get them all and do so by social engineering, not a brute force attack on the radio traffic.
And again, how many other agencies need to work with NYPD and have their stuff? You want the feds to add another 30 or 40 keys to their radios that already have 30 or 40 (at least).
Not a good plan IMHO.
The only thing that does is make programming and interoperability a pain in the ass. If an individual is enterprising enough to get one key, he is enterprising enough to get them all and do so by social engineering, not a brute force attack on the radio traffic.
And again, how many other agencies need to work with NYPD and have their stuff? You want the feds to add another 30 or 40 keys to their radios that already have 30 or 40 (at least).
Not a good plan IMHO.
you make a good point, and maybe that's what they'll do but who knows tbh? other than those who have hooks and those working inside all is word of mouth. What you propose should be the solution in place if not already but we will eventually find out as we always do..
MStep
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Maybe I'm dense, but one thing I don't understand about all this "getting the keys" stuff. Once you get them, what do you do with them? Aren't they kind of useless for average scanner users? There is nowhere on the consumer-type scanner to insert key codes. Wouldn't you need the same type of Motorola radio with a programming hardware and software to get it running?
Who said anything about scanners? The discussion is focused on the NYPD subscribers, not Joe Schmoe and his scanner.
richee2000
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I am curious, what percentage of RR subscribers are "scanner hobbyists" who's only interest is listening to public safety LE related comms vs "radio communications system design enthusiasts" who's interest is in radio models, and system implementation?.... vs actual NYPD subscribers ?..... "Joe Schmoe and his scanner" are important subscribers also, are they not?... Since I have interest in both subjects, I find all of these posts and questions relevant .....just my humble opinion....
Nope, if they were, NYPD wouldn't' be rolling out encryption.
Your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. When I said "subscribers" I'm referring to the radios in the field, not RadioReference members/subscribers.
richee2000
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Gotcha... Misunderstood.
Don’t forget the APX8000 as well! (ESU) 😉
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