Is NYPD Finally going P25

[BigLebowski]

I am curious, what percentage of RR subscribers are "scanner hobbyists" who's only interest is listening to public safety LE related comms vs "radio communications system design enthusiasts" who's interest is in radio models, and system implementation?.... vs actual NYPD subscribers ?..... "Joe Schmoe and his scanner" are important subscribers also, are they not?... Since I have interest in both subjects, I find all of these posts and questions relevant .....just my humble opinion....

Like @GTR8000 said, I think you have RR subscribers and radio "subscribers" mixed up. Subscribers is an industry term for the portable/mobile radios on a system.

I think you will find here on RR that everyone is a hobbyist (we wouldn't be here if we weren't) but there are a certain number of hobbyists that work with radios as all or part of their job. I myself started out as a hobbyist and while my main job is not radios, I am heavily involved in our communications systems. I think many here are in a similar position.

 

[richee2000]

Like @GTR8000 said, I think you have RR subscribers and radio "subscribers" mixed up. Subscribers is an industry term for the portable/mobile radios on a system.

I think you will find here on RR that everyone is a hobbyist (we wouldn't be here if we weren't) but there are a certain number of hobbyists that work with radios as all or part of their job. I myself started out as a hobbyist and while my main job is not radios, I am heavily involved in our communications systems. I think many here are in a similar position.

I have been a long-term scanner and communications hobbyist for many years dating back to the beginning of scanners, however, I had my own communications company with eight locations in Northern and central New Jersey. We maintained mountain top community repeaters on UHF and 800 MHz, which served businesses. We also sold and installed communications systems for local public safety and law enforcement agencies. So my interests are both the design and implementation of communications systems as well as listening in on various communications.

 

[KC2zZe]

I was speaking to someone from the department about this a few days ago. .... He also said that the move to encryption may not happen after all. Apparently there has been a lot of push back against it, both internally and from the public. Take that for what it’s worth.

I'd love to know who, internally, is pushing back on encryption (I could give a damn about who from the public is pushing back). Is it someone pissed off that mommy and daddy won't be able to hear over their Bearcat 210XL what their crime-fighting pride-and-joy for a son, little Officer Johnny is up to during his shift anymore once the Department flips the switch? With the way the fake news keeps misusing / abusing the access they have to radio traffic now, encryption is long overdue.

 

[richee2000]

I'd love to know who, internally, is pushing back on encryption (I could give a damn about who from the public is pushing back). Is it someone pissed off that mommy and daddy won't be able to hear what their crime-fighting pride-and-joy for a son, little Officer Johnny is up to during his shift over their Bearcat 210XL anymore once the Department flips the switch? With the way the fake news keeps misusing / abusing the access they have to radio traffic now, encryption is long overdue.

Its political. Certain activists are pushing for more NYPD open source communications, saying "secret NYPD comms" will lead to "more Police Brutality against certain community members"

NYPD radio encryption most likely won’t happen in 2020 – but will soon | amNewYork

After amNewYork reported this week of the NYPD's plans to encrypt police radios in 2020, police officials said Thursday that it would likely not move forward

www.amny.com

 

[KC2zZe]

Rich, are these "activists" you're referring to within the Department? I'm looking to get an understanding of who, internally, is opposed to encryption. And why.

 

[richee2000]

Rich, are these "activists" you're referring to within the Department? I'm looking to get an understanding of who, internally, is opposed to encryption. And why.

no, these are Community activists, the same ones that always accuse NYPD of Police misconduct. And, the NY City Council, is Anti Police, for the most part:

"Miller testified Wednesday at the City Council Public Safety Committee over proposed legislation, Intro. 487, that would create “comprehensive reporting and oversight of NYPD surveillance technologies. The NYPD took a stand against the bill, saying providing detailed information on technology would tip off criminals and terrorists and allow them to thwart investigations".

Int 04872018 Version: A

Type:

Introduction

Title:

A Local Law to amend the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to creating comprehensive reporting and oversight of New York city police department surveillance technologies

 

[richee2000]

Rich, are these "activists" you're referring to within the Department? I'm looking to get an understanding of who, internally, is opposed to encryption. And why.

Don't forget DeBlasio De Funded NYPD by $1 Billion, and disbanded the NYPD Anti Crime unit, with backing from The NY City Council. They are Anti-Police. Mayor Adams is fighting the NY City Council.

 

[KC2zZe]

Okay, understood. So the internal opposition isn't necessarily to the concept of helping to protect the two-way voice communications system by utilizing encryption, its to the priority to be placed on implementing encryption - due to funding concerns. Thank you.

 

[danielvalls]

Yet here we are May 2022 and no sign of encryption. If and when one hand of the nypd can meet the other hand then we may see a change until then, nada. Now there are some frequencies already encrypted. Narcotics, Gang Unit, Detective units SVU ,Homicide ,Taru and many others , most monitor city wide channels ..without scanners I would not be able to do my job.. I listen to the scanners every day 5 at a time two city wide channels FD, Transit Division, and one main with the entire city on it . so encryption will be detrimental.

 

[ten13]

There are a few (if not 'many') NYPD channels which "outside agencies" (State Parole, NY State Police, NJ State Police, Port Authority, etc) use routinely, and I believe the radios they use now are their individual agency's radios, not the NYPD's.

They will most probably NOT give those agencies encrypted NYPD radios (if it comes to that), but, instead, have one or two "citywide" frequencies NOT encrypted for their use (mostly of which are being used to report situations that those outside agencies come across while in NYC, or to await input from the NYPD on an on-going situation in the city (riots, etc).

Some agencies in NJ (police and fire) have done that while their main channels are encrypted, for mutual aide responses.

One agency I'm familiar with was asked by the "outside agency" to supply that outside agency with the encryption key, to program their radios with. Upon advice of their radio tech, the agency declined and, instead, established non-ecrypted, non-trunked, analog channels for those outside agencies.

 

[thunderr10]

The NYPD will be going more than that.

The "Big E" will be in place within a year (if they didn't have so many radios, it could be done a lot sooner), and, frankly, it's about time.

Anyone who listened to NYC during the riots and looting taking place over the summer (and then some) knows that malicious interference was a lot more than just an annoyance, but a genuine hazard. The technology is there to prevent that in the future and there's no reason why they shouldn't incorporate it in their operations.

It's just a fact of life, at this point.

Those who think that "hobbyists" have some Constitutional right to monitor police frequencies unempeded are living in a dream world and better grow up and face the facts.

I want my tax dollars back. I will say their day to day comms should be clear, and then encrypted when going tactical. Is that mixed mode?

 

[richee2000]

I want my tax dollars back. I will say their day to day comms should be clear, and then encrypted when going tactical. Is that mixed mode?

I think what you mean is The precinct dispatch channels "Central" should be in the clear, but Tac , Narc, surveillance, SWAT, and sensitive comms should be E. Yes, I TOTALLY agree, that's the way REASONABLE PD's do it.....

 

[Pete_uk]

NYPD Anti Crime unit

Isn't the whole idea behind a police department is that it's all 'Anti Crime'

 

[richee2000]

Isn't the whole idea behind a police department is that it's all 'Anti Crime'

Depends on the political hierarchy in a particular City you are speaking about...

In some cities or states the politicians, district attorneys, prosecutors, judges , and voters have elected to defund police departments, institute bail reform, degrade serious crimes, not prosecute some violent criminals, not uphold certain laws, and let violent criminals out the day they are arrested with no bail required.... criminals have more rights than victims....

Apparently it's not about anti-crime in many cities.

 

[chrismol1]

Isn't the whole idea behind a police department is that it's all 'Anti Crime'

When they say "Anti-Crime" units in the US they're typically talking about localized police officers who work together, sometimes plainclothes, unmarked, sometimes not or otherwise focused on certain areas of interest differentiated from normal patrol officers humping calls for service of citizen complaints

 

[richee2000]

When they say "Anti-Crime" units in the US they're typically talking about localized police officers who work together, sometimes plainclothes, unmarked, sometimes not or otherwise focused on certain areas of interest differentiated from normal patrol officers humping calls for service of citizen complaints

NYPD'S (NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT) STREET CRIME UNIT | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

 

[richee2000]

NYPD Street Crime Unit (Anti Crime Unit)

 

[dave3825]

NYPD Street Crime Unit (Anti Crime Unit)

Yeah?

And?

What does that have to do with NYPD going P25?

 

[richee2000]

Yeah?

And?

What does that have to do with NYPD going P25?

and, nothing. Posted a video of the old Street Crime Unit, some on here were showing interest on the subject. It was in response to this: (which had nothing to do with NYPD going to P25)

chrismol1 said:
When they say "Anti-Crime" units in the US they're typically talking about localized police officers who work together, sometimes plainclothes, unmarked, sometimes not or otherwise focused on certain areas of interest differentiated from normal patrol officers humping calls for service of citizen complaints

 

[ff026]

We’ll I can see we stayed on topic for this thread.

can we get this locked.