IS PHX GOING DIGITAL ENCRYPTED ??

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A question that he wanted to ask me on here
FROM CHRIS IN PHX ARIZONA:


My step dad works for EOC here in Phoenix and they just had a meeting
today. He was told that the police are going to move to a encrypted
data base or however you call it so no one can listen to them at all.
Does anyone know if that is true or not? I don't think they would do
that cause they already have encrypted channels they can switch to if
they don't want us to listen to something
 

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ShawnCowden said:
YES that was just hearsay from an officer so i dunno what to believe. It hasn't happened yet!!!

Most of this new system is encrypted, and all indications are it will stay that way. Unless your dad's coworker is a radio tech, chances are he or she knows nothing about the technical details of this radio system. To a layman, digital radios are unscannable, wonderful pieces of equipment that never fail. :D

Routine patrol and patrol tacticals should remain scannable for the forseeable future, as should PFD when (or IF) they convert. MesaPD's patrol channels are also open, as is all 7 channels of the fire department.

That is, UNLESS someone screws it up for all of us. This is a perfect opportunity to realize how lucky we are that we can continue to monitor our digital radio systems. Other locations that use OpenSky, ProVoice or full time encryption are not so lucky as we. Please, everyone, monitor RESPONSIBLY, so that this privilege can continue to be enjoyed by all of us.

-AZ
 

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Phx Fire

The fire department is trying to use portions of the 800 digital system as well as using 1 or 2 decks of simplex channels for firefighting activities.
 

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AZScanner said:
. Please, everyone, monitor RESPONSIBLY, so that this privilege can continue to be enjoyed by all of us.

And keep your mouth shut too! The first thing you want to do is tell someone what you can hear. Intead tell them about the hobby.

I honestly think that what we can hear will make the 6 oclock news one day and then the media will cause shock and horror :). Some grandstander will demand that we become a police state and encrypt all communications.
 

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Stimuli, who was your last response directed to? I'm not sure what you mean?
 

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SSager said:
Stimuli, who was your last response directed to? I'm not sure what you mean?

I don't think he knows either... :?

Ha ha ha, just messin' with ya Scott... :wink: I think what he was referring to is someone blabbering about what they heard a bit too loudly to the wrong people. Kinda like that couple that heard Newt Gingrich on his cell phone and said "Whoooweee, didja hear whut he said? I got that on tape! We gotta call the Enquirer!" :roll:

-AZ
 

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SSager said:
Stimuli, who was your last response directed to? I'm not sure what you mean?

No one... Really!


But if the shoe fits... :lol:


J/k


Now don't be so defensive :)
 

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Stimuli,
The reason I asked is that I didn't understand what you were talking about, or who you were talking to. I was certainly not being defensive then or now. It seems that this reply as well as the last were both somewhat ambiguous.
If you have questions concerning Phoenix Fire's take on the new radio system, or where they are going, maybe I can be of help with information. If not, no worries.
 

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If you have questions concerning Phoenix Fire's take on the new radio system, or where they are going, maybe I can be of help with information. If not, no worries.

Information on PFD is always welcome! By all means: Where, when, how, when, what, when and when? :D Anything you can share would be great - I've been waiting for months to hear PFD on the new system. I know other people in the local media who will want to know this info too (and they check in here quite a bit).

-AZ
 

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I only meant it only as a Confucius statement :)

Confucius say man who speak of the butterflies sound have not the butterfly as a friend.

:)
 

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Az. Scanner,
The Phoenix Fire Department realized that they might have some coverage concerns during drive acceptance testing with Motorola. PFD and PPD had members involved in each of the drive tests doing talk back testing, and realized that the initial estimates of actual coverage may not be as could as projected.
Phoenix Fire then developed plans to do preliminary in-building testing to simulate units involved in an actual fire attack as per their SOPs. During these tests, it was apparent that the 800MHz, trunked, digital system couldn't perform in certain areas of buildings, i.e. sub grade areas, closed elevators, tunnels etc... PFD then developed a very comprehensive plan to test buildings in each of the varies DB coverage levels, using structures with each NFPA building type. The system in Phoenix and Mesa is designed with varying DB levels according to the type of structures and density involved. The system has levels of 12DB (outlying areas), 17DB (big-box and med. const.), and 23DB (central high rise district, ASU etc...) Each of these tests were done using a talk matrix developed as per their Vol. 2 SOP's and incident command structure. During this process, NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) sent a team of PHD's with equipment to measure frequency penetration into and out of these structures. The tests used VHF, UHF, 700 and 800MHz frequencies, both digital and analog. All tests were done with FD personnel and data was collected from each position within the building.
It was determined that the 800 trunked system had inherent, occasional problems maintaining communications inside various structures. PFD decided that depending on this type of system during hazard zone operations was not acceptable. A new project is in place to determine what the best possible alternative is for the system. Many options have been developed, and a final decision on what will be used is in the works. The 800 trunked system has many valuable options that work very well, however, 1 or 2 decks of simplex channels in either the 800 or 700 range would be beneficial for firefighting and in-building hazardous situations. PFD still plans to be on-line with the new system by August of '05, but obviously this time-line is variable due to the challenges involved in changes to the system.
If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
 

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A per the last response it should read "as good as projected", not "as could as pojected". Sorry, too much writing.
 

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read "projected", I guess it's the weather, my spelling is usually better.
 

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Pro 95 and Pro 2052

The bottom line to Phoenix Arizona is that they will be going digital - am I corect? So my new PRO-95 and PRO-2052 will not be able to pick these up - am I corect? Would anyone recommend the PRO-96 if this happens. If it happens do we know when?
Thank you for all your help.
Terrie
 

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There are some comms now going on on the digital system. I listen to them fine on my Pro-96.

Kevin
 
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