Is their a Milair license database for freqs search? :?:
Is their a Milair license database for freqs search?
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NO it is classified information. The basics are all listed on links to every airport see airnav.com
If there is a military aviation base near an airport and you know the name/call letters of it.. click the links and youll get the basics. Youll have to search and be patient to get all the stuff in use.
If there is a military aviation base near an airport and you know the name/call letters of it.. click the links and youll get the basics. Youll have to search and be patient to get all the stuff in use.
colheli
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Cobra_Commander said:
MilAir freqs. are not licensed. At least, not at the unit level. Not that I am aware of, anyway.
They are federally liscensed as to Tower, Ground, etc on each installation in the USA... Each installation is assigned an FAA Callsign. You will need to know the installations near to your area of interest to get the info vias sites like airnav.com
nd5y
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There is some milair frequency information available here:
https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm#plan
in these documents:
scroll down to Flight Information Publications (FLIP)
Planning and Enroute Supplements
US IFR Supplement - contains all of the public FAA ARTCC & FSS VHF/UHF frquencies
US VFR Supplement
FIH Flight Information Handbook - contains all of the UHF weather "METRO" frequencies
AP1B - contains all the training areas and refueling tracks with some frequencies
There was an article about this web site in Monitoring Times a while back.
The government is thinking about removing it or not allowing public access.
Tom
https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/index.cfm#plan
in these documents:
scroll down to Flight Information Publications (FLIP)
Planning and Enroute Supplements
US IFR Supplement - contains all of the public FAA ARTCC & FSS VHF/UHF frquencies
US VFR Supplement
FIH Flight Information Handbook - contains all of the UHF weather "METRO" frequencies
AP1B - contains all the training areas and refueling tracks with some frequencies
There was an article about this web site in Monitoring Times a while back.
The government is thinking about removing it or not allowing public access.
Tom
Yep HomeSec is also talking about making airnav.com a restricted access site also. Kinda way too late if you ask me though. The info is out there and its way too late to put the genie back in the bottle! They would have to fisrstly restrict access then go and change EVERY freq in use at EVERY airport! Talk about hassle! :twisted:
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DaveNF2G
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milf said:
The simplest solution for the government would be to pass a British-style "Official Secrets Act." Then all information is restricted and it's suddenly against the law to publish or discuss it, or even to possess it without authorization.
Somehow I don't think that even the First Amendment could stop that if there was ever another major attack on U.S. soil. Everyone would be so frightened that they would roll over for anything the government wanted to do to make them "safe."
Wasn't a simular rule part of the original Patriot Act?
milair freqs.
What state and city are you looking for?
What state and city are you looking for?
trainman111
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Btw, the government has blocked public access to the FLIP's and other documents, so hopefully you got the latest download in October 2006 before they restricted access.
ka3jjz
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Nope not true - you can still get most of what you need. However, certain areas have been removed, and as I understand it, the rest may go in a year or so. Disregard that writeup that you see on each of those pages, and just follow the links. You'll be able to download what you need. Just go down to the bottom of:
http://164.214.2.62/products/usfif/enroute.cfm
new editions are due in about 2 weeks.
73s Mike
http://164.214.2.62/products/usfif/enroute.cfm
new editions are due in about 2 weeks.
73s Mike
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trainman111
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ahh i see why. the original link was bad. the link you provided Mike is different. Good to see that they're still on the net, and thanks for the correction.
Nick
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I don't see what purpose for "homeland security" it would be to restrict access to a database of civilian air frequencies. 2 of the 12 signs of fascism are, "Rights Disappear" and "Secrecy Demanded" Who are they trying to protect? Us, or themselves?
milf said:
Classified? So in other words it is illegal to post these frequencies on RR? Would it also be illegal to have them on our computers, and programmed in our scanners?
In the event that the frequency databases become unavailable, it would be possible to go to the vicinity of an RCAG site, use the close call or signal stalker function, and get the freqs anyway. I've done it and it works fine. Even if I only had two or three know freqs, with time, patience, and a scanner recorder, I would be able to get the handoffs to other freqs and eventually increase my own database. Basically I don't think it would take too long for all the people who post to this group to get a pretty decent list of freqs, so why should the government even bother?
Dave
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nd5y
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People find government frequencies and publish them all the time. If it was illegal, all the web sites, books and magazines would have been shut down and their publishers thrown in prison years ago.GreatLakes said:
All US federal government frequency assignments are in what is called the Government Master File (GMF) which is maintained by the NTIA. It used to be available to the public, just like the FCC data, until it was "classified" in 1982. I don't know what level of classification it has, but basically it only means the public can't access the GMF any more.
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DaveNF2G
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Maybe someone who is up to date on the various classifications can chime in here. I know there's a difference between "Classified" and "Secret" and that there are levels of classification, but that's the limit of my expertise at the moment.
TinEar
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BMT said:
BMT is correct. For instance, one such specific document is titled "MCEB-M-151/76, Frequency Plan for 225-400 MHz Band" and is marked CONFIDENTIAL.
MCEB=Military Communications-Electronics Board
Then, the specific services have their own manuals such as the Air Force which uses "AFI 33-06, Volume 9, Radio Frequency Spectrum Management" and others. Even those have probably been superseded recently. Unless you're in the loop, you won't ever get a peek at specific frequency assignments at the unit level. In my personal opinion, if we had it all handed to us on a master list, it would take all the fun out of MilAir monitoring. We do a pretty damn good job at recovering what's in our areas. However, keep in mind that all we're monitoring are training exercises and normal transport movements. When/if the crap hits the fan, expect what you're currently hearing to change dramatically. Think encryption.
I was checking out PERCON, as I used to purchase their CD's. This is interesting!
US Aviation Frequency Database
Number of Searches: 29
Number of Output Options: 7
Number of Records: 47,269
Updated: Quarterly
Description: Contains all records for FAA-maintained transmitters updated quarterly. Includes records for Air Traffic Control, Navigation, Directional, Tower, Ground, Approach and Departure. Data for DOD airbases and US Government emergency aviation related frequencies are also available. The database format is the same as the previous Spectrum/Aviation CD-ROMS.
Anyone currently subscribed to this?
US Aviation Frequency Database
Number of Searches: 29
Number of Output Options: 7
Number of Records: 47,269
Updated: Quarterly
Description: Contains all records for FAA-maintained transmitters updated quarterly. Includes records for Air Traffic Control, Navigation, Directional, Tower, Ground, Approach and Departure. Data for DOD airbases and US Government emergency aviation related frequencies are also available. The database format is the same as the previous Spectrum/Aviation CD-ROMS.
Anyone currently subscribed to this?
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