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rja1

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As NY'ers, we are saddled with VTL 397 when it comes to listening mobile. The law reads (or close to it) "It is illegal to equip a motor vehicle with a radio receiver capable of receiving frequencies allocated for police use." Now that many of us have smart phones with aps to listen to local LE, are we breaking the law? Last I checked my smart phone is NOT capable of receiving FREQUENCIES allocated for police use.

Anyone have any real life experience with this situation? Legal or illegal...... All opinions welcome.


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I'm not sure about this new law, but the old NYS law had an exemption for Ham radio operators, of course, that only meant your radio could recieve police freq's but you weren't supposed to listen while mobile.
Also, I'd say just shut your phone off if you get pulled over, because you cant operate a handheld phone while driving anyway, and it's simply rude to have your phone gawking while an officer is talking to you
 

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New York VTL397 - No Exemption for Hams

There NEVER was an exemption for amateur licensees. Everyone conveniently drops the word "exclusively" out of the quote of the law. Go look it up. See that word "exclusively" near the end? Read it in context. Nothing in 397 is meant to prohibit a licensed ham from operating mobile with gear capable of transmitting and receiving EXCLUSIVELY on ham frequencies. This was added in back in the day when ham gear mostly was crystal controlled, and receivers were limited to ham bands, to assure that the police would not be confused by the law's intent only to ban listening in on police frequencies. Later, two big technological issues caused problems. The first was VFO, allowing for tuners to receive wide band. Once the FCC type-approved gear with wide band receivers a real issue arose as to the right of states and local communities to prohibit their use by licensed amateurs simply because of the wide band capability. Since the FCC was created in the 1930s Congress has expressed a clear intent that federal law preempt the field of telecommunications, meaning that states and localitiies may not enact conflicting laws. The second and much more recent tech issue is the advent of the scanner app. Unfortunately there is no precedent on either issue-yet. You don;t want to be first. Bottom line - in New York no one, licensed hams included, may operate a scanner in a car. By the way, I believe that some communities may issue "permits" but I'm not aware that VTL 397 - or any other state law - allows for it, so I don't know upon what legal basis those municipalities are acting.
 

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I think the law is moot at this point with the mega 800 systems trunked,700 mhz etc coming online ....you get my point....only thing ya might hear is a little car to car action from the local mayberry PD for the time being...till the next wave of cash come flying outa washington...depending on what county your in....IMHO
 

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There is a sticky at the top of the New York Forums regarding scanners in vehicles. This topic has been beaten to death, resurrected numerous times and killed over and over again like a zombie apocalypse. I know you are asking about "scanner apps" in this instance, but my suggestion is to NOT utilize the web for legal opinions. Read the law, call the State Police or text your favorite attorney. CLOSED for the sanity of all mankind.
 
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