It's Snowing in Los Angeles

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As if the 18 inches of rain we received the last two weeks wasn't enough it is now snowing in Los Angeles. If you can tune into the California Highway Patrol listen in to the Southern Tan channel 45.7000 MHz. The snow level is down to almost 1000 feet and it has dropped 2 inches of snow in the Santa Clarita Valley, 30 miles North of Downtown Los Angeles. The I-5 was closed this afternoon at Parker Rd when a blizzard moved through the area dumping more than 6 inches and leaving 30+ motorists stranded. On Highway 14, the main thorough fare connecting the Mojave Desert and Los Angeles, snow has left not only motorists stranded but tow trucks and emergency vehicles as well. The storm is expected to continue through the night dumping as much as a foot of snow at higher elevations.
 

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Yeah, but is it snowing outside Staples Center or One Wilshire? Not to rain on your parade, but it does occasionally snow in Palmdale/Lancaster/Santa Clarita. Now, if you want to talk oddities, I remember as a kid the Balboa Peninsula receiving a "dusting" of snow, enough that my dad scooped some up in a bowl and stuck it in the freezer. Why? Who knows? Maybe the sight of the white stuff went to his head.
 

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Just after Christmas in 1972 a storm came through southern California with a snow level of 500 feet. The top of the Verdergo Hills was covered in white. The 5, 13, 15, and 10 at Banning Pass were closed. My dad and I took a drive toward Palm Springs to see the 2" on the ground there. There were cars abandoned all over the 10 and the plowing had to go around them. The lane marking (all "Bott's Dots" in those days) were scraped up by the plows. The only equipment Caltrans had on 10 were some graders with small blades. The snow built up in the blades and went right over their tops, making snow plowing a slow process. I have a picture of a CHP officer adjusting his chains in 8" of snow in Hadley's parking lot. Hadley's was closed at the time, probably because employees could not get to work.

Up in Big Bear 6 feet had fallen and the town was at a standstill. Helicopters were used for transportation of critical supplies.

In the late 60's and early 70's my friends and I used to camp in the Redrock State Park area throughout the winter. I remember more than once driving through Palmdale after a storm, just after the roads turned black, with 8" of snow on the ground.
 

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You kinda' made my point. According to today's Los Angeles Times, the last time snow fell on Santa Clarita was December 22nd, 2008, when 10 to 16 inches of snow fell on the Santa Clarita Valley. So, it's not an uncommon occurrence.

My big bug-a-boo was the statement that it was snowing in Los Angeles. While Santa Clarita is certainly within Los Angeles County, it is not part of the Los Angeles City limits. I can't recall the last time snow fell in downtown Los Angeles, let alone the San Fernando Valley. I'm sure it has happened in the past, I just can't recall when.

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I don't remember the last time it snowed in the city limits of Los Angeles, but 2" fell in 1932. That year had some other noteable events in the western U.S. A decreasing number of people around in the Sierra Nevada have told me many stories about 1932 and it ranks right up there with 1952, 1969, and 1983. All epic years snowfall wise.
 

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Well, 1983 I vividly remember. I was living in Costa Mesa at that time and can remember driving through 2-3 feet of water near the intersection of Newport Blvd. and 17th Street. That area still floods out whenever we get a heavy rain. I believe it was the winter of 1965 when that dusting of snow landed on the Balboa Peninsula.
 

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10-16 inches of snow did not fall on Santa Clarita in 2008. I remember that day well, we barely got flurries. The only place that got measurable snow was way up Bouquet Canyon and Sierra Highway at the 2000+ foot level. Everyone I have talked to so far hasnt seen snow fall and stick in Downtown Newhall since at least 1988 or 1989.

Oh and for the record. Snow was documented in the CHP CAD as sticking at the intersection of Balboa Blvd and San Fernando Rd as well as at the 5/14 interchange, that is within city limits. There were still patches of snow on the ground when I drove through there yesterday.
 

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You kinda' made my point. According to today's Los Angeles Times, the last time snow fell on Santa Clarita was December 22nd, 2008, when 10 to 16 inches of snow fell on the Santa Clarita Valley. So, it's not an uncommon occurrence.

My big bug-a-boo was the statement that it was snowing in Los Angeles. While Santa Clarita is certainly within Los Angeles County, it is not part of the Los Angeles City limits. I can't recall the last time snow fell in downtown Los Angeles, let alone the San Fernando Valley. I'm sure it has happened in the past, I just can't recall when.

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Typical LA Times:mad:, 2008 was not a snow event at all, most of Santa Clarita Valley is only 1,200'-1400' MSL and we don't get snow here at all like the high desert does on occasion, what happened Sunday was a real oddity, and extremely uncommon.

A couple of my long time co-workers live in Palmdale/Lancaster which is 1000' or more higher up than us, and I hear about it every time they get snow.

I'm just glad my family got to experience it,:D:D:D we got a good 5 hours of it, and loved it, something we may not see here for another decade at least, who knows.
 
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Interesting timing with the TV show "Southland" that aired last night on TBS. In the morning in their unit one detective told his partner about a low snow level for a storm that was to hit the L.A. area that night. In the ending scene that detective was talking with his wife on the porch of his home and it began to snow. I think the location was somewhere in the SF Valley.

I remember 1983 quite well. It was my second winter in Bridgeport, California. Lots of interesting things occurred that winter as far as low snow levels and problems with roads, especially in Mammoth. I listened to the scanner a lot while I looked outside at snow falling heavily. The point of closure for Conway Summit on U.S. 395 was visible from one of my windows. I would watch long lineups of cars and big rigs on the highway. It happened many times that year.

I remember two transmissions on the Mono County SO dispatch frequency quite well. Mammoth Lakes had not incorporated yet so the SO had primary jurisdiction in town. One night as some of us in the high country like to say: "it's snowing like a big dog," or very heavily. On this night it was snowing at the rate of about 3-4" inches per hour. 395 was closed in several locations and there was just a bit of wind making visibility even more challenging than the snowfall rate was making it. Now Mammoth is known for having some interesting characters, both visitors and residents. I often say that sometimes we don't have that much snow in Mammoth, but there is never a shortage of flakes. Anyway, in the middle of this heavy storm a deputy transmits "would you believe a cowboy hat, sunglasses, no shirt, boxer shorts and cowboy boots walking down Main Street?!" He wasn't calling anyone, he just had to make this announcement and no one had to question the location.

That same year, on a weekend day with a very low snow level and a storm of a similar rate, a deputy asked for the road conditions on SR 14 and U.S. 395. The dispatcher took a minute or two and then came back with "R2 from Sand Canyon to Canada." R2 indicates that all vehicles except 4 wheel drives with snow tires must have chains on. I turned to my wife and said "well that about covers it!" Later a CHP officer inquired of the Bishop dispatcher the conditions of 395 from San Bernardino to the SR 14 junction. The answer was that the 15 was closed from University Parkway (now on 215 before the 15 was constructed to the west) to 395, and 395 from that point north was R2.

Chain restrictions in California are labeled R1, R2 and R3 for internal use by the CHP and Caltrans and they are heard on the air constantly during storms. R1 indicates that chains are required, but autos and pickups with snow tires are exempt. Almost every radial tire made now is a snow tire and the lettering M+S, M/S or just M S will be printed on the sidewall. In effect this level of restriction requires big rigs to chain up and lowers the speed limit to 35 or 25 depending on the highway. R2 indicates that the only vehicles exempt are four wheel drives with snow tires on all four wheels. R3 means that there are no chain requirement exemptions. The road is usually closed before R3 restrictions are posted. I often joke that R3 means "go find a motel!" because if it is that slippery, I don't want to be driving. All vehicles must carry chains when any level of restriction is posted, whether or not they are exempt. During heavy traffic, usually on weekends when Mammoth and June ski areas are open and R1 or R2 is posted, the CHP and Caltrans will set up checkpoints north of Bishop and check every car for chains. Those exempt vehicles without chains in possession are not allowed through. I know some people with 4WDs who carry old chains that don't fit the vehicle. Personnel at the checkpoint don't make you put them on, they just check that your chain box or bag have chains in them. Bad idea as you may need them to get unstuck if you have to steer off the pavement due to an accident or a spin out occurring in front of you.

In February 1989 I attended a training course in San Diego for several days and it began to rain quite heavily the last two days. It continued as I left to return to Mammoth. My 4WD pickup had a higher mileage rate than the Ranger District's new station wagon so I drove it. It was equipped with front wheel drive, a rear window defroster, and rear window wiper. I was styling as I had never driven a vehicle with these features. As I drove up the 15 near March AFB I was listening to my BC-200 handheld and heard that the highway was closed at University Parkway. The exit was a mess with cars lined up to reenter the freeway north on ramp. They were all in the left lane of the exit, so I went down the off ramp in the right lane, then found a side street of University Parkway to wait. The Caltrans frequencies were quite active and I heard a discussion of the road conditions on Cajon Pass and when they might open, 30 minutes, then 20 minutes, then finally 5 minutes. I timed my left turn back onto University Parkway so that I would reach the on ramp about the time they reopened and when I arrived there. I put on my right turn signal and was waved onto the freeway as the first car on with the mile or more backup waved on next. The road, from just north of Devore, had snow pack/icy patches with about 50% of the road being wet. When I reached the 395 off ramp it was snowing heavily and I drove all the way back to Mammoth in R1 conditions. The front wheel drive was awesome and the rear window features essential.

So snow in the high desert is not unusual, but not common. I've noticed over the last 15 years of many chain requirement signs in various locations down there have not been replaced after road construction or were removed rather than being maintained so these types of events have become less frequent, which matches my memory quite well. The weather is changing. I just saw a film on the PBS series "Nova" that presented information that the average temperature there has risen some 7-9 degrees Fahrenheit since 1971. The poles drive much of the earth's weather and the rise in temperature there is more than twice that of the rest of the world. Sit back and hold onto your hats, this is going to get interesting.
 
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