Jersey City Encrypted

[rftechnyc]

North district traffic was displaying as encrypted on and off this evening. Also hearing encryption on some unlisted TGs. Fireground 7 had about 15minutes of encrypted traffic. Ideas if this is the beginning of a transition?

 

[richee2000]

well... JCPD Comms were all over world wide news media last week during the active shooter incident..with a cop killed....in the clear... so ????

 

[phillydjdan]

In this week's episode of "What Did You Think Was Going to Happen"...

 

[richee2000]

In this week's episode of "What Did You Think Was Going to Happen"...

Bingo

 

[richee2000]

this is a national trend. Such As: Las Vegas: Mass shooter incident. LVPD Comms via Broadcastify published world wide , LVPD then goes 100% Encrypted...... San Bernardino, Cal Terrorist incident. SBPD Comms via Broadcastify published world wide , SBPD then goes 100% Encrypted. Etc, Etc. Get The Picture?????

 

[blantonl]

Ok folks - please restrict answers to the OPs question. If you know of any plans by JC to implement further use of encryption, the OP would like to know. Please keep it to that. Thank you.

 

[rr60]

All the questions may have been answered by using the excellent thread search tool. In fact I did to find my post from way back. No surprises here at all. Been covered, take a look.This thread should be closed.

Big Changes Jersey City Fire & Police

A usually reliable source has told me a rumor. During 2018 encryption will be deployed throughout system. The present fire simulcast 460.xxx freqs will be absorbed into the present system. No more simulcast. So they say.....maybe even Q2/3. Ira?

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[RadioDitch]

Ideas if this is the beginning of a transition?

As has been documented in these forums, it has been the plans of Jersey City Public Safety for some time to encrypt JCPD communications. However, it had yet to be acted upon. It would be reasonable to expect recent events to be the tipping point.

To the admins: Just answering the question, not debating the topic.

 

[jaymatt1978]

I think the key takeaway is it is confirmed they have encryption capabilities and now the question is wether they will use it full time. We don't know buut you would need to listen to the system a bit longer to figure it out. Also are multiple talkgroups encrypted or just o ne? Do they have the ability to turn encryption off and on? If they can switch encryption off and on for one talkgroup it's nlot a far stretch they can do this for other talkgroups. I'm really just spitballing here, but it gives you some idea on their next move

 

[richee2000]

I think the key takeaway is it is confirmed they have encryption capabilities and now the question is wether they will use it full time. We don't know buut you would need to listen to the system a bit longer to figure it out. Also are multiple talkgroups encrypted or just o ne? Do they have the ability to turn encryption off and on? If they can switch encryption off and on for one talkgroup it's nlot a far stretch they can do this for other talkgroups. I'm really just spitballing here, but it gives you some idea on their next move

Jersey City police department has 17 full time encrypted talkgroups according to the database.

 

[rr60]

Just one more time then. The plan is 100% encryption for all TG’s including fire. Look for the conventional fire NFM repeater(s) frequency to be rolled into the P25 “new” system. This is according to “sources”. It appears they are behind their timeline.

 

[jperuta]

Even if they are going P-25 and encrypted. It’s not as simple as flipping a switch. First they have to buy new radios that can handle the P-25 trunking as well as encryption. Last I knew they were utilizing Motorola XTS 2500. So they most likely getting New radios. Then they might even need infrastructure for the new radios. Then they need to test and approve it. So I would say they might behind the timetable but they are most likely not going next week.

 

[GTR8000]

Even if they are going P-25 and encrypted. It’s not as simple as flipping a switch. First they have to buy new radios that can handle the P-25 trunking as well as encryption. Last I knew they were utilizing Motorola XTS 2500. So they most likely getting New radios. Then they might even need infrastructure for the new radios. Then they need to test and approve it. So I would say they might behind the timetable but they are most likely not going next week.

Jersey City has been operating on a P25 Phase I system for years. The XTS 2500 is perfectly capable of operating on that system, including with encryption enabled. I'm not sure what would make you think that they need to purchase new radios or infrastructure. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with their operation. As mentioned in the first post, the rollout of encryption has already begun using the existing subscribers and infrastructure.

 

[jperuta]

Jersey City has been operating on a P25 Phase I system for years. The XTS 2500 is perfectly capable of operating on that system, including with encryption enabled. I'm not sure what would make you think that they need to purchase new radios or infrastructure. Perhaps you're unfamiliar with their operation. As mentioned in the first post, the rollout of encryption has already begun using the existing subscribers and infrastructure.

Yes i'm unfamiliar with their operation, i could use a lesson on radio systems.

 

[EncryptedTech]

When the system was orgonally rolled out only ESU and a handful of others had AES enabled in their radios. And with Moto not supporting the XTS-XTL line any longer unless you see new subscribers get installed I would not get to nervous about seeing them go encrypted. But the bulk of their portables and mobiles are 10 plus years old, so i would assume new subscribers has to be in the near future.

 

[RadioDitch]

When the system was orgonally rolled out only ESU and a handful of others had AES enabled in their radios. And with Moto not supporting the XTS-XTL line any longer unless you see new subscribers get installed I would not get to nervous about seeing them go encrypted. But the bulk of their portables and mobiles are 10 plus years old, so i would assume new subscribers has to be in the near future.

My understanding is Jersey City has been prepared to upgrade mobiles and portables for some time now, along with still having the intention of eventually encrypting all JCPD communications without exception. That's been their intention from the outset, and has never been a secret. As I said in my previous post, it hasn't been acted to date (obviously). But recent events would be a logical tipping point. Might want to keep an eye out for publication of an RFQ.