Johnson County P25 System

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scannerowner

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I'm wondering if I should program all 3 (KCMO, JOCO, and Independence) as a multi-site system? Has anyone heard Independence PD on any of the other two?
 

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I see Indep TGID 124 on KCMO all the time. It is encrypted, though.
 

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Well guess they are all connected, maybe I should program it as mulit-site after all.
Unless something major changed, this system is still simulcast (multiple towers transmitting the exact same thing). As far as I am aware you will not hear anything from KCMO PD or anything from MARRS on the Johnson County system without programming the MARRS control channels as well as the Joco CC's. If I am mistaken someone please correct me. I can't see that happening though. IMHO it would not make any sense for two large systems to simulcast each other like the database would lead you to believe. I am far from an expert on this P25 stuff so if I am missing someone, someone please correct me.

I don't understand moving this system in the database... Why put a Johnson County, Kansas system on the Missouri side? Who is going to think to look there in Missouri for a Kansas system? Those that are wanting to program MARRS are now going to have to look through all of the Johnson County TGs to find what they are after and the same way the other way around.

Is the MARRS system is being simulcast on the Johnson County system? IF that were the case then combining the two makes a little sense BUT, one would hope you would still be able to find the Johnson County system in the Johnson County database instead of on the Missouri side with a note stating that the two systems are simulcast together. Why move an entire system to a different state, who would think to look there?

As mentioned by someone else, the database admin that did it does not have private messaging enabled or else I would have taken this to pm's.

I would hope at the, very least, something would be changed so that when you get into your programming software, this system would at least show up, instead of finding it looking like this...

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KSICS, Westar and a couple systems that are either no longer in use or I am simply not interested in.


EDIT: Just got a message from hkrharry,

"I agree, I have sent posted a message in the Global Admin section asking what is up. I hope to get a ruling soon. I think this will cause much confusion."

Thanks Harry!
 
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Issue should be resolved.

They will be merged as single database entry, as it will be easer to manage from a data entry perspective as one system, even though they are separate systems.

Harry
 
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remove or not remove??

so it's staying the same?...or are they going to remove it..."Kansas" that is in the Kansas City system??....I my self vote for it to be removed...thanks Mike
 

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so it's staying the same?...or are they going to remove it..."Kansas" that is in the Kansas City system??....I my self vote for it to be removed...thanks Mike

Remove what?

The old Joco700 reference ?

I just did, if that is what your referencing to.

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Issue should be resolved.

They will be merged as single database entry, as it will be easer to manage from a data entry perspective as one system, even though they are separate systems.

Harry

Thanks Harry.

I still believe this is going to cause confusion for those who are not familiar with scanning in the area or scanning in general. I have a feeling there will be those who will try to program in just one site and expect to hear everything from that one site (Kansas City, Missouri PD/FD and Johnson County Sheriff/County wide fire ops). When in reality the only TGs that are truly shared are the regional inter-ops and med channels.

Nothing against the database admins but, I am looking at this as an end user. Who knows how many people purchase a premium subscription and use the database to directly download into software then to their new $300+ digital scanner... While there are how many database admins? It simply looks like a move to make the job of the admins easier instead of thinking about those of us who are paying to use the information, submitted by us, on our own scanners.

As more and more systems become inter-operable in this area will they all be combined into one giant database entry that we, the end user, have to filter through? If we are combining these two systems why are MOSWIN & KSICS not connected? Where is the line between what should be connected and what should be kept separate?

My apologizes for the rant but, I assist people with programming and basic understanding of scanners as part of what I do to make a living. There is already a ton of confusion regarding the way a single site simulcast P25 system works.

No one buys a $300+ scanner to hear silence because they misunderstood the database and programmed the incorrect site.
 

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I'm sorry to say also, that it's not organized very well with the merge. I'd organize it differently, guess that's the OCD side of me... My scanners are both programmed alphabetically by County and entity within the county... I'm sure that it is still being organized accordingly, just taking some time. Sorry Harry if I sound like I'm slamming you, I'm glad you did what you did though!
 

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So are these 2 interconnected? Through certain TG's I assume but they are not the same system. My suggestion is keep them separate unless it is a shared system like MOSWIN, etc... Very confusing. I don't want to add fuel to the fire but just my 2 cents while the admins are working on it.

ps... Shoudln't the JCo 700 system still be listed under KS????
 

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I agree, it should be it's own listing on the Johnson co page as it was. Even though the systems may be "linked", they are operated as distinct systems for the day-to-day traffic.

This "problem" reared it's head if I remember correctly a while back in that the St Loius system and the KCMO system were linked for a while. caused a lot of confusion.

There probably needs to be a long discussion on how to handle the ongoing linking of adjacent systems. Lumping them all together is not a good idea if they are operated as independent systems for +95% of the time. They may share some common talk groups, but in this instance they are seperate systems (at least for now).

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Johnson county vs Kansas city

well now Im not sorry....Johnson County n e e d s ....to be ....on it's own Kansas page not in the Missouri page...I thought this is what he was going to do......I guess I was wrong.....thanks
 

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The other problem is that one site just says Johnson and the other says Jackson. If they are going to be together then at least label the sites with ks and mo, maybe something about Kansas city in there too.

The other problem now is when something is added we don't know if its active on JoCo or KC.
 

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While I agree with most of you all on the lumping of the 2 systems.

It really is for the better.

The MARC EMS/Hospital stuff was becoming a night mare, due to the inconsistencies of the submitted data between the 2 states.

Though most entries were correct there were some duplicates had differing agency info.
And if a assistant admin did not have access to the other states info he duped it and had it wrong agency info in one place & correct info in the other.
I was trying to correct some of the inconsistencies, when some one upstairs was apparently seeing the same thing as well and they "helped out" by the merge.

I will try and group things together by county and state so the data visually will at least be easy to parse.

As for the downloading to a scanner I say UN-check the system you don't want and the agencies you don't need and do it that way, may take a bit longer but your scanner load will be cleaner in the long run. It will take a bit of time and with the help of the other admins we should get her fixed up soon.

We will have to live with it for now.

HH
 

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Sorry, I fail to see "it's for the better" logic.

The Hospital/EMS stuff is a "relatively" small part of the two system, trafficwise. To "screw up" the systems for this reason I think is short sighted.

As has been said before, other than some talkgroups, these are two seperate systems. Tying them together without leaving a trail to the original JoCo listing will cause problems.

On top of that, what happens when Johnson Co, MO decides to join the system? That will really bump up the confusion factor.

You should be able to load either the Johnson Co, KS system or the KCMO system from their respective state/county pages.

As I said before, this type of problem will need some discussion as it is only going to get more complicated as more systems link for "interoperability".
 
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