Killington Ski Area - New DMR System

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So, I was taking a look through some FCC records and stumbled upon Killington/Pico's filings- turns out they added 7K60FXE/7K60FXD (MOTOTRBO DMR) emissions to all of their existing UHF frequencies along with adding two (?) new frequencies. I heard somewhere they might be going Capacity Plus, which would make sense for a resort their size. Besides, I did notice when I was up there in February that most of their employees were carrying seemingly new XPR7550e's...

Does anyone know any other details regarding this new system? I'm curious as to if it has gone live yet, and the easiest way to tell that would be listening for a Cap+ beacon. I'll be up there in a few weeks to check things out myself.
 

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I just returned back today from 4 days at Killington. They were on their usual analog UHF analog rptrs as of yesterday. I will find out if & when they are switching over from analog to DMR, and report back. I'm heading back up there in 3 weeks, staying for 2 weeks straight.
 

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So, I was taking a look through some FCC records and stumbled upon Killington/Pico's filings- turns out they added 7K60FXE/7K60FXD (MOTOTRBO DMR) emissions to all of their existing UHF frequencies along with adding two (?) new frequencies. I heard somewhere they might be going Capacity Plus, which would make sense for a resort their size. Besides, I did notice when I was up there in February that most of their employees were carrying seemingly new XPR7550e's...

Does anyone know any other details regarding this new system? I'm curious as to if it has gone live yet, and the easiest way to tell that would be listening for a Cap+ beacon. I'll be up there in a few weeks to check things out myself.
Can you share the frequencies or the FCC records please?
 

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I'm currently on vacation in the next town over from Killington. Currently all analog traffic.

Here is their current analog channel plan:
1 464.7250 R 151.4 Ski Patrol
2 464.7750 R 151.4 Lifts/Ops
3 464.9250 R 151.4 Snowmaking/Grooming
4 464.9750 S 151.4 Events
5 464.2500 R 151.4 Maintenance/Buildings
6 463.9000 R 151.4 Parking(winter) / Golf Course(summer)

all above are modified to MotoTRBO DMR emissions, and they also added on 2 new UHF Rptr pairs (DMR only), Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
461.0750 Rptr
462.2000 Rptr

and new paging/notification freqs, Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
462.7750 fixed base
465.0000 fixed base

I'm monitoring the 4 above new ones for any activity right now.
 

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I'm currently on vacation in the next town over from Killington. Currently all analog traffic.

Here is their current analog channel plan:
1 464.7250 R 151.4 Ski Patrol
2 464.7750 R 151.4 Lifts/Ops
3 464.9250 R 151.4 Snowmaking/Grooming
4 464.9750 S 151.4 Events
5 464.2500 R 151.4 Maintenance/Buildings
6 463.9000 R 151.4 Parking(winter) / Golf Course(summer)

all above are modified to MotoTRBO DMR emissions, and they also added on 2 new UHF Rptr pairs (DMR only), Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
461.0750 Rptr
462.2000 Rptr

and new paging/notification freqs, Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
462.7750 fixed base
465.0000 fixed base

I'm monitoring the 4 above new ones for any activity right now.
Thank you!
 

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I'm currently on vacation in the next town over from Killington. Currently all analog traffic.

Here is their current analog channel plan:
1 464.7250 R 151.4 Ski Patrol
2 464.7750 R 151.4 Lifts/Ops
3 464.9250 R 151.4 Snowmaking/Grooming
4 464.9750 S 151.4 Events
5 464.2500 R 151.4 Maintenance/Buildings
6 463.9000 R 151.4 Parking(winter) / Golf Course(summer)

all above are modified to MotoTRBO DMR emissions, and they also added on 2 new UHF Rptr pairs (DMR only), Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
461.0750 Rptr
462.2000 Rptr

and new paging/notification freqs, Admin Bldg, 4763 Killington Rd:
462.7750 fixed base
465.0000 fixed base

I'm monitoring the 4 above new ones for any activity right now.

cmp,
What town near Killington are/were you in? I have a hard time picking up there stuff in many places ON Killington mnt, forget from another town! Wasnt there also a freq for the “ambassadors“? I thought I remember having one for that, maybe Im just making that up in my head… Anyway, I’ll be up there a lot this coming winter, bought a condo… so I’ll have to figure it all out!
 

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Hey Machria:

I always stay off VT Route 100 in Plymouth, next town over from Killington. They are full scale in my base & hand-held scanner. When I drive around the surrounding area, they are also full scale signal. The repeaters are all located in a small radio building atop Skye Peak (i.e. Superstar Express Quad lift) on unity gain UHF base antennas. The coverage is usually quite large. Labor Day weekend I was at Sugarbush in Warren (VT) {1 hour north up VT Rt 100}, and Killington's signals were 2-3 bars on my Uniden BCD996P2 mobile scanner in Warren.

The volunteer Ambassador radio channel/freq is: 462.6125 simplex PL 71.9 {FRS Channel 3}. They only have permission to use Killington Channel 1 (Ski Patrol) and no other channels.

While you are there, the Killington Ski Club UHF repeater is: 462.250 repeater DCS-244, which is also atop Skye Peak.
 

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Hey Machria:

I always stay off VT Route 100 in Plymouth, next town over from Killington. They are full scale in my base & hand-held scanner. When I drive around the surrounding area, they are also full scale signal. The repeaters are all located in a small radio building atop Skye Peak (i.e. Superstar Express Quad lift) on unity gain UHF base antennas. The coverage is usually quite large. Labor Day weekend I was at Sugarbush in Warren (VT) {1 hour north up VT Rt 100}, and Killington's signals were 2-3 bars on my Uniden BCD996P2 mobile scanner in Warren.

The volunteer Ambassador radio channel/freq is: 462.6125 simplex PL 71.9 {FRS Channel 3}. They only have permission to use Killington Channel 1 (Ski Patrol) and no other channels.

While you are there, the Killington Ski Club UHF repeater is: 462.250 repeater DCS-244, which is also atop Skye Peak.


Thanks! I think I remember seeing that little building off the side of the top of Superstar chair with a couple antenna's on it. I know Plymouth well as I drive thru on the way up rt100, and have a friend that stays in Plymouth often as his boss has a house on the lake. I'll have to double check my programming, I stuck in the Killington Freq's kinda hastily last year an hour or 2 before leaving on a last minute trip up. Maybe I screwed it up somehow... I was hearing a bit of "ski school" talk, but that was almost it other than a few blurbs from groomers overnight. But I would suspect a lot more activity....

Your not CMP from THT (the hull truth) are you? marine electronics installer from LI?
 

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Killington's switchover is in progress! There are two voice channels that are up and running this morning. One on 461.0750 and the other on 462.2000 - both have a color code of 8 and both are licensed under FCC callsign WPLP831.

Seems like half of the radios have been switched, since snowmaking is still only monitored on the legacy channel 3. Lift Maintenance and Patrol have been switched over, TGID's 12 and 10, respectively.

According to some employees, the full switchover should be done by the weekend. I'll keep everyone updated.
 

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Wow, so they are going all DMR? Dang it! I cant stand dmr…..
Thanks so much for the update! Please keep us updated on this, greatly appreciate it, I just bought a condo on Sunrise (closing in 2 weeks) so I need to be ontop of this! ;-))
 

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Well, did they change over 100%?

Yup... was running my Uniden SDS100 for the past week and seem to have picked up the whole thing.

SITE ID: 1 - Pico Mtn (unsure of exact location, seems like the power has been turned down)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 464.250 (CC7)
LCN 2 - 464.725 (CC7)
LCN 3 - 464.775 (CC7) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

SITE ID: 2 - Skye Peak (most likely same location of old repeaters)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 461.075 (CC8)
LCN 2 - 462.200 (CC8)
LCN 3 - 463.900 (CC8) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

TRUNKED TALKGROUPS
10 - Ski Patrol (f.1)
12 - Lifts (f.2)
14 - Snowmaking (f.3)
16 - Unknown (f.4)
18 - Unknown (f.5)
20 - Unknown (f.6)
22 - Special 1 (f.8)
24 - Unknown (f.9)

Direct (formerly channel 4) is now channel 7 (I think) and is on 464.975 CC1, TGID 7
 

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Yup... was running my Uniden SDS100 for the past week and seem to have picked up the whole thing.

SITE ID: 1 - Pico Mtn (unsure of exact location, seems like the power has been turned down)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 464.250 (CC7)
LCN 2 - 464.725 (CC7)
LCN 3 - 464.775 (CC7) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

SITE ID: 2 - Skye Peak (most likely same location of old repeaters)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 461.075 (CC8)
LCN 2 - 462.200 (CC8)
LCN 3 - 463.900 (CC8) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

TRUNKED TALKGROUPS
10 - Ski Patrol (f.1)
12 - Lifts (f.2)
14 - Snowmaking (f.3)
16 - Unknown (f.4)
18 - Unknown (f.5)
20 - Unknown (f.6)
22 - Special 1 (f.8)
24 - Unknown (f.9)

Direct (formerly channel 4) is now channel 7 (I think) and is on 464.975 CC1, TGID 7

Thanks… Well, now I gotta learn dmr and how to program into my scanner and ht. Krykee, so much to learn on all these new (new to me anyway) modes….. Why cant we all just go back to AM on 75meters! ;-)))
 

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I'm sure the rush for the radio changeover is because one of their annual HUGE events is taking place in a few weeks, the FIS Ski World Cup Tour on Fri 11/25 through Sun 11/27. This event has famous skiing athletes & various worldwide celebrities. This event had 30,000 spectators each day plus the athletes, team coaches, and additional event staff.

I, personally, was the internal Incident Command System (ICS) Incident Commander (IC) {two-way radio dispatcher} for the event & public safety staff, and also the two-way radio vendor and the on-site two-way radio technician as well for every radio system, except the Feds.

In past years, the event staff used a combination of VHF & UHF rental hand-held portable radios (which included 200 from my VHF rental supply) and the (UHF set of 200 were from the Killington Ski Club), 400 rental radios in use at once, daily. I dispatched out of a secure room inside the Killington Ski Club using VHF & UHF mobiles with base antennas set up out back, had 5 Uniden scanners going monitoring law enforcement, Feds, security staff {Green Mountain Concert Services}, event vendor radios, and internally dispatched Regional Ambulance Service medical staff to calls. The Killington Dispatcher only monitored the old former Ch1 Ski Patrol and I dispatched the remaining Killington repeater channels.

Law enforcement used my rental radio system atop Killington on VHF which was MotoTRBO encrypted, as the 1st year of this new event, criminals were able to monitor VT SP using UHF analog simplex, so the following years I switched them over to my VHF encrypted repeater channels.

I can post the past commonly used frequencies in a new thread, for those that want to publicly monitor the upcoming venue.

I'm sure Killington is needing UHF radio system capacity for this event, is my best guess !

If you want additional event details or frequencies, private message me.
 
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Cmpsa, I would love the freq's also but cannot send private messages as I am a newer user... :/
 

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Yup... was running my Uniden SDS100 for the past week and seem to have picked up the whole thing.

SITE ID: 1 - Pico Mtn (unsure of exact location, seems like the power has been turned down)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 464.250 (CC7)
LCN 2 - 464.725 (CC7)
LCN 3 - 464.775 (CC7) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

SITE ID: 2 - Skye Peak (most likely same location of old repeaters)
FREQS:
LCN 1 - 461.075 (CC8)
LCN 2 - 462.200 (CC8)
LCN 3 - 463.900 (CC8) *might be data revert, as I have yet to hear voice on this frequency

TRUNKED TALKGROUPS
10 - Ski Patrol (f.1)
12 - Lifts (f.2)
14 - Snowmaking (f.3)
16 - Unknown (f.4)
18 - Unknown (f.5)
20 - Unknown (f.6)
22 - Special 1 (f.8)
24 - Unknown (f.9)

Direct (formerly channel 4) is now channel 7 (I think) and is on 464.975 CC1, TGID 7

The database still does not have all this new stuff in it, just 4 new talkgroups and 4 freqs, is there any updates to this??
 
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