Lake County plans to Overhaul radios for Cops, Fire

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...jan21,0,4864749.story?coll=orl-home-headlines

Lake plans overhaul of radios for cops, fire
The county says it will use sales-tax money to replace its outmoded communication system.

Robert Sargent
Orlando Sentinel Staff Writer

January 21, 2007

On an early morning nearly two years ago, dozens of law-enforcement and emergency officials converged on a rural home in the Ocala National Forest where Jason Wheeler had opened fire on Lake County deputies, killing one and injuring two others.

The shooting led to a massive manhunt for Wheeler in which several agencies struggled to communicate with each other using different radios, channels and frequencies. Many tried to use their cell phones, but the massive demand shut down the wireless network.

It was a frustrating and dangerous communication breakdown on one of the darkest days in Lake County's history. But radio failures are still an everyday problem for even routine emergency calls.

That is about to change.

Lake's Public Safety Department has proposed a plan to replace emergency radios and other equipment throughout the county and its 14 cities at a cost of more than $20 million. Officials say the new system will virtually ensure archaic communication glitches never silence them again.

"It is vital that we have seamless communications," Public Safety Director Gary Kaiser said.

County commissioners agreed this month to begin negotiations with radio manufacturer Motorola to handle the massive overhaul to 800 MHz digital communications, a system that will vastly improve radio coverage across the county and simplify how police, fire and rescue agencies talk to each other.

The county already had $5 million approved for the project. Another $15 million will come from a line of credit approved a couple of years ago to be paid with 1 percentage point from the sales tax.

County Manager Cindy Hall said the radio upgrade will not use money generated by recently increased county fire fees. County officials also say they do not expect the cities to pay for any portion of the project.

Lake County Sheriff Gary Borders and police chiefs from 12 cities recently endorsed the proposal. Lake's other two cities, Minneola and Montverde, use Lake deputy sheriffs. Fire chiefs also are looking into the idea.

"I am anxiously waiting to find out all the details and to see how it all will play out," Minneola fire Chief Dave Dobrzykowski said.

Dobrzykowski said the county's plan will vastly improve radio coverage to keep constant communications within his agency. He described a common problem in which firefighters a few yards apart cannot talk with each other because their radio signals cannot reach the local communications tower.

To get around the problem, Dobrzykowski said the firefighters either switch to their cell phones or designate someone to run messages back and forth.

Rob Richardson, radio-systems coordinator for Lake County Public Safety, said many emergency agencies find their radios blocked by interference caused by radio transmissions from as far away as South Carolina.

Richardson said keeping contact with firefighters and police officers is essential: "I don't know of a more critical issue."

The county, which uses an older VHF system, started planning for the massive radio upgrade about a year ago. Some agencies have digital systems, others don't. Lake officials had to go to neighboring counties, cities and other governments to acquire about 40 frequencies for the system.

Once the county approves a contract with Motorola, the next step is to expand Lake's radio towers from six to as many as 20.

The county then will work in phases with its agencies and with each city to install the radios and equipment in vehicles and at some dispatch locations. Law-enforcement officers, firefighters, paramedics and others will get new portable radios.

The county expects the overhaul to take about a year.

Many neighboring counties, including Orange, Seminole, Osceola, Polk and Marion already have similar systems, Kaiser said. Volusia is working to modify their radio system to join the chain of communications with Lake County.

Kaiser said the sooner Lake upgrades its radios, the better.

"Time is of the essence," he said.
 

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gatorhater said:
Many neighboring counties, including Orange, Seminole, Osceola, Polk and Marion already have similar systems, Kaiser said. Volusia is working to modify their radio system to join the chain of communications with Lake County.

Lake = future Motorola, digital per article
Orange = Motorola Type II SmartZone, Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface
Seminole = Motorola Type II Smartnet, Analog
Osceola = Motorola Type II Smartnet, Analog
Polk = Motorola Type II SmartZone, Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface
Marion = Project 25 Standard, APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive
Volusia = EDACS Networked Standard, Analog

*Per the RR database for the other counties beside Lake.

So what is Volusia going to do to their system, besides making sure their portables have the 800 Muaid and simplex freqs programmed, and the users trained to use them when on a call with Lake?

Just wondering? I know the state has a "Florida Interoperability Network" system described on the Enterprise Information Technology Services (EITS) program site. Would that not only patch between county and state, but also be used for county to county patches?

http://dms.myflorida.com/eits/enterprise_public_safety

Ed
 

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The FIN is installed over 200 PSAP's statewide. This includes many city and county agencies as well as the State RCC's.
 

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edweirdFL said:
Lake = future Motorola, digital per article
Orange = Motorola Type II SmartZone, Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface
Seminole = Motorola Type II Smartnet, Analog
Osceola = Motorola Type II Smartnet, Analog
Polk = Motorola Type II SmartZone, Analog and APCO-25 Common Air Interface
Marion = Project 25 Standard, APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive
Volusia = EDACS Networked Standard, Analog

There's also the City of Apopka Motorola Type II SmartZone, Analog/APCO-25 CAI system that's separate from the Orlando/Orange County system.
 

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As a former resident (only vacations now) of Lake County, I just love this part --

"Dobrzykowski said the county's plan will vastly improve radio coverage to keep constant communications within his agency. He described a common problem in which firefighters a few yards apart cannot talk with each other because their radio signals cannot reach the local communications tower."

Here's an idea, TRY SIMPLEX FIREGROUND CHANNELS!!!!
& they say us hams are using outdated technology....The more high-tech it gets, the more reason for politicians to come up with some lame excuse ta spend millions....
 

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N4UYV_Al said:
Here's an idea, TRY SIMPLEX FIREGROUND CHANNELS!!!!
& they say us hams are using outdated technology....The more high-tech it gets, the more reason for politicians to come up with some lame excuse ta spend millions....

When our county in Pa. went to the Multi-Net TRS, there were some 800mhz simplex/conventional freqs specifically designated for fireground use (though some of the local fire companies still use their private channels instead). One would think that when designing these new trunked systems, such a concept would be a no-brainer.
 

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DO NOT ASK ME FOR HELP PROGRAMMING YOUR RADIO. NO.
And yet another non-metropolitan county is sold the bill of goods known as 800 MHz.


UHF would be a far more sensible solution for almost EVERY part of Florida. And actually,
given the state's terrain and abundance of vegetation, VHF would be an even smarter choice.

What's that rule of thumb? 25 percent? It takes 25 percent more sites on UHF, or 25 percent more power on UHF, to equal the coverage of a VHF system, and it also takes 25 percent more sites or power for an 800 MHz system to equal the coverage of a UHF system.

Someone I trust who's been in the radio business for a long time said that to me. And I think he's probably right.

800 was made for big cities with tall buildings. It really has no business being used in orange groves and small towns that were built on those groves.


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Lake county spent a lot of money about five years ago trying to expand their VHF system to meet their needs. That was money wasted. They are surrounded by counties and the state that have no problems getting 800 radio signals through those orange groves. i remember 25 years ago when orlando and orange county were expanding in 460 mhz that the pine needles would kill the signals. that was a false rumor also.
 
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