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Does anyone know if Fire and EMS at LMNRA work on the same feq as LE.
How are they identified ?
P25?
 

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There is also a thread about this in the Federal monitoring forum, this is how it works now. National Park Service has a wild land fire station in Boulder City, NV. They use the Boulder LE frequency, 170.050 analog, when operating in the park, switch to other freqs. when dispatched out of the area. Supervisor's call signs 7300-7302, engines are 7361, 7362, sometimes a squad or patrol are also heard. They also respond to assist the NPS rangers with SAR calls and major incidents.

LMNRA used to operate structure fire engines in each of their major districts in NV and AZ but in recent years haven't had rangers certified in structure fire operations to man the apparatus. It's unknown how many engines remain in the stations, if any. Mutual aid from nearby agencies is now requested for fire calls, for example Clark County, Henderson, Boulder City in NV and Mojave Ranchos, AZ. Those agencies use their own radio systems. Mutual aid works but the response time is longer. NPS also has a fairly new fireboat based in the Boulder Basin, call sign Fireboat Brown, which they do man and use for SAR as needed.

EMS is a little different. The NPS has a couple of ambulances and a medic SUV manned by two paramedics, Medic 41 and Medic 42. The paramedics, with the SUV and one ambulance are based at a former fire station near the Boulder Beach ranger station. The ambulance used to be identified as Rescue 4 (Boulder Beach area is district 4) but now is identified as Rescue 1. Some of the NPS rangers are EMTs and respond on medical calls as well. Medical calls are dispatched on the Boulder LE frequency. Hospital transports when needed are usually done by Community Ambulance from Henderson or the nearest fire district paramedics. Air ambulance service by Mercy Air in NV and various air ships in Arizona. Medical air to ground coordination is usually on the NPS admin. freq.166.300.

Hoover Dam fire and EMS is handled by Boulder City Fire. NPS rangers provide law enforcement there now as the Hoover Dam federal police department was stood down about two years ago. The relatively short range VHF P25 radio system (163.125) at the dam is still used by security guards and occasionally by the NPS rangers.
 
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There is also a thread about this in the Federal monitoring forum, this is how it works now. National Park Service has a wild land fire station in Boulder City, NV. They use the Boulder LE frequency, 170.050 analog, when operating in the park, switch to other freqs. when dispatched out of the area. Supervisor's call signs 7300-7302, engines are 7361, 7362, sometimes a squad or patrol are also heard. They also respond to assist the NPS rangers with SAR calls and major incidents.

LMNRA used to operate structure fire engines in each of their major districts in NV and AZ but in recent years haven't had rangers certified in structure fire operations to man the apparatus. It's unknown how many engines remain in the stations, if any. Mutual aid from nearby agencies is now requested for fire calls, for example Clark County, Henderson, Boulder City in NV and Mojave Ranchos, AZ. Those agencies use their own radio systems. Mutual aid works but the response time is longer. NPS also has a fairly new fireboat based in the Boulder Basin, call sign Fireboat Brown, which they do man and use for SAR as needed.

EMS is a little different. The NPS has a couple of ambulances and a medic SUV manned by two paramedics, Medic 41 and Medic 42. The paramedics, with the SUV and one ambulance are based at a former fire station near the Boulder Beach ranger station. The ambulance used to be identified as Rescue 4 (Boulder Beach area is district 4) but now is identified as Rescue 1. Some of the NPS rangers are EMTs and respond on medical calls as well. Medical calls are dispatched on the Boulder LE frequency. Hospital transports when needed are usually done by Community Ambulance from Henderson or the nearest fire district paramedics. Air ambulance service by Mercy Air in NV and various air ships in Arizona. Medical air to ground coordination is usually on the NPS admin. freq.166.300.

Hoover Dam fire and EMS is handled by Boulder City Fire. NPS rangers provide law enforcement there now as the Hoover Dam federal police department was stood down about two years ago. The relatively short range VHF P25 radio system (163.125) at the dam is still used by security guards and occasionally by the NPS rangers.
I hate hearing about not having enough rangers to staff structural engines. I would imagine they just don't have the time to spare to get qualified. The number of protection rangers in the NPS has fallen by 20% since 2012. Some positions are taken from larger parks to minimally staff new units created. This drain, which is not reflected in total ranger numbers, has been going on for 20-30 years, maybe more. It's a very bad situation. Protection rangers have 5 job responsibilities. Law enforcement, EMS, SAR, wildland fire and structural fire. In many large parks, like Yosemite, there is a separate wildland fire management organization, but they still report to the Chief Ranger, who heads up the "Division of Visitor and Resource Protection" (commonly referred to as "protection"). Helping them out with structural fire protection are non protection employees that form a park fire brigade. It's like a volunteer fire department. Helping them out in SAR are other non protection employees that function similar to county sheriff SAR teams. However, it is protection that manages the incidents. In some parks the ambulances respond with protection rangers who drive to the station and roll. I don't know enough to say if protection rangers staff ambulances full time in some parks and are in positions classified for EMS only. Rangers have a tradition of keeping track of their triple crown days, where they work incidents from 3 of the 5 functions. It used to be a sort of badge of honor. I wonder if it is looked at as a curse now.

Some national groups are expressing alarm over the dwindling number of protection rangers. They are contacting the Congress. It seems as though the presidential administration is not paying attention.
 

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Once you cross Hoover Dam you're in the Lake Mohave Ranchos Fire District 154.160 in Dolan Springs AZ. We have one ambulance that covers 2200 square miles form milepost 1 on US93 to milepost 50, and from the Colorado River to the Grand Canyon West. Part of the time there is one paramedic in Meadview. They do request NPS at times but transports are back into Kingman. Drive safe in Arizona...
 

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Large parks do staff their ambulances with Paramedics, usually at least seasonally to take the load off the law enforcement rangers. Prfotection ranger is an old and lingering outdated term many parks still cling to. Most NPS LE Rangers (U.S. Park Ranger) by title are at least EMT many are park medic aka EMT-A and some are also EMT-P. Between the ridiculous management of law enforcement staff and most are stuck at the GS-9 level the law enforcement rangers are dwindling. Greatest job around with so many problems.
 
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