Lancaster County - P25 System (Part II)

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Finally,
Some good news for LCWC listeners & hobbyists. (y)


LE encryption may end soon.. (At least on the Dispatch side anyway, The way it was before they flipped the 100% LE switch) :mad:

 

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Great! Hope Berks County (and eventually Montco whenever they make the switch) soon follow. Maybe PSP if we're lucky, but that could be a pipe dream
 

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From the article..."Weaver also said that decryption would cost roughly $100,000, which Lehman said he would happily spend." There was no explanation backing up that statement, so I have to ask, why would decryption cost $100,000? :unsure:
 

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From the article..."Weaver also said that decryption would cost roughly $100,000, which Lehman said he would happily spend." There was no explanation backing up that statement, so I have to ask, why would decryption cost $100,000? :unsure:
The cost in manpower to go around and reprogram radios and consoles that are set up to encrypt full-time.
 

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The cost in manpower to go around and reprogram radios and consoles that are set up to encrypt full-time.
OK. With my county, engaging encryption is nothing more than flipping a switch. The radio room and mobiles turn it on and off quite often when desired (especially recently with the protests going on.) So that is why I questioned the $100,000 dollar outlay. I guess their system is different.
 

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They don't do OTA Programming AFAIK and they apparently can't just flip a switch, So every affected radio will need to be re-touched.. It was an idiot idea to implement in the first place 2 1/2 Years ago, IMHO.. What a waste to do it in the first place, Then have to pay again to undo it.. What a waste.. :rolleyes: Based on the number of RID's I've logged, there are over 2000 LE radios.. Just an approximation.. That would be $50 per radio..

But glad it may return.. They have to vote on it first. It will make the Avoid Button relevant again :LOL:
 
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Great! Hope Berks County (and eventually Montco whenever they make the switch) soon follow. Maybe PSP if we're lucky, but that could be a pipe dream
Maybe, if Montco residents contact the County commissioners with a cogent argument based on Lancaster‘s planned changes and Buck’s policy you may see some change. The time seems right.
 

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This would be great.. like others I was rather pissed when they went secure on everything. Although to be fair I miss when it was all VHF analog back in the good days.
 

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Never made sense from the beginning for them to encrypt the dispatch channels when they already had all the secondary channels encrypted. I do remember police running record checks on the dispatch channels when they were still in the clear. One thing that could be done if concern is shown for this info being put out in the open again is add a new encrypted channel to all the police radios that would be used for that purpose. Other counties have similar channels in place for this but it also requires a dedicated dispatcher to handle it at the comm center so it may not work for Lancaster County but it could be worth looking into.
 

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There was an article on the recent vote on Lancaster Online. Encryption will stay. It also sounded to me like the police were going to take it to court if the vote would have went the other way. So there it is. Not going to happen.
 

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The LCWC P25 system is very tightly controlled. Its almost like Cheynne Mountain (Space Command). Unless you steal the programming keys (I believe there are only two or three of them total), you unfortunately aren't going to hear the encrypted communications.

There was a time a I believe five or so years ago when the system wasn't locked down too tight and they actually left the passwords blank, but thats not happening anymore.
 

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Maybe, if Montco residents contact the County commissioners with a cogent argument based on Lancaster‘s planned changes and Buck’s policy you may see some change. The time seems right.
I heard an email was just sent to Montco Commissioners last week prior to one of their meetings asking questions as to why encryption is being aloud, and challenged anyone to find just one instance where a criminal was using a scanner to listen, and stay ahead of PD or specifically put any officers safety at risk during the commission of a crime on their last system that was in the clear since the 90's.


I dont believe that public comment was ever read, nor responded to. Montco is to busy pushing for a certain Commissioner into a senate seat with her " response" to covid, to care about anything else.
 

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I can see both sides.. it annoys me when I travel, especially for work, to Lancaster and I can't hear anything. At the same time, some jack@$$ locally streams EVERY talkgroup of our system onto his website and tweets everything every surveillance unit does and where they are, so I made a choice to just encrypt the majority of it.

This hobby unfortunately is filled with people who have no information control and no common sense. Not all, but a lot. The anti-cop "what are they hiding" rhetoric doesn't help either. The fact anyone thinks that 1) Such things would happen on a large scale, even in today's environment; and 2) such things would be discussed on the radio shows how disconnected from reality they are.

I get wanting to listen but no amount of tantrum is gonna make that happen once the E-switch is thrown.
 

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I can see both sides.. it annoys me when I travel, especially for work, to Lancaster and I can't hear anything. At the same time, some jack@$$ locally streams EVERY talkgroup of our system onto his website and tweets everything every surveillance unit does and where they are, so I made a choice to just encrypt the majority of it.

This hobby unfortunately is filled with people who have no information control and no common sense. Not all, but a lot. The anti-cop "what are they hiding" rhetoric doesn't help either. The fact anyone thinks that 1) Such things would happen on a large scale, even in today's environment; and 2) such things would be discussed on the radio shows how disconnected from reality they are.

I get wanting to listen but no amount of tantrum is gonna make that happen once the E-switch is thrown.
Well, it is more than just “ listeners” as it does impact other responders as well but all of those issues have been beaten to death and no sense adding another thread about that.
 
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