Lancaster County - P25 System (Was OpenSky System Dumped)

[vinzep491]

I'm not familiar with Arinc & Tait systems. Obviously Moto is not foreign to me, but can someone inform me if these other two manufacturers are P25 system (just like Moto)?


I guess what I'm asking is LanCo definitly going to be a p25 TRS, regardless of manufactuer at this point.

Scan on.

 

[kayn1n32008]

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Not sure if Tiat bid P25, but they do manufature their own P25 gear. Both infrastructure and subscriber

 

[Raccon]

I'm not familiar with Arinc & Tait systems. Obviously Moto is not foreign to me, but can someone inform me if these other two manufacturers are P25 system (just like Moto)?

Cassidian claims their P25 equipment is '100% Standards-Compliant' and 'the industry’s only true non-proprietary P25 network offering'. Not sure if this qualifies as 'just like Moto' or as being somewhat better.

 

[lancopa]

I'm not familiar with Arinc & Tait systems. Obviously Moto is not foreign to me, but can someone inform me if these other two manufacturers are P25 system (just like Moto)?


I guess what I'm asking is LanCo definitly going to be a p25 TRS, regardless of manufactuer at this point.

Scan on.

I got told last week that it will be a P25 Digital system and that ALL of police and EMS will be encrypted. Does anyone know if this is true?

 

[daneg]

I got told last week that it will be a P25 Digital system and that ALL of police and EMS will be encrypted. Does anyone know if this is true?

I've been told this as well. However not about EMS. I've heard "some parts can be encrypted. mainly some police operations." from someone at county. I hope they leave the PD channels alone like they do now. The only thing really see them encrypting would be when they are doing warrant where they use a task force, or narcotics ops. I've heard Lancaster City doing drug busts before, I could see that encrypted or anything they call out SERT for. Everything else should be open since they stated at their press conference they wanted minimal encryption.

I bought a BCT 15x to hold me over. I dont want to buy a digital scanner and have it not work for nothing when it goes live. I could keep hosting my feed too.

 

[NodrogCop]

The last I heard is that PD dispatch would be in the clear, but some ops channels would be encrypted. Whether that means for specific events/incidents or for each department's talkgroud, I don't know.

I haven't heard anything about encryption for EMS/Fireboard.

Tommahawk, have you heard anything?

Gordon

 

[vinzep491]

I got told last week that it will be a P25 Digital system and that ALL of police and EMS will be encrypted. Does anyone know if this is true?

I find this interesting... Do you guys remember when the news stations handed over their frequencies, out of their own free will, for the greater good of the county and their new system's needs.

They made a point to say that they wanted transparency and minimal encryption, and that is what the news company was told.

It does not seem right that they would go back on their word.

As far as EMS enc, I see atleast the main dispatch TG being unencrypted to help coordinate with other counties, but they may enc everything else just as DauphinCo does (EMS->hospital, OPs, Admin). Maybe they will follow the lead with DauCo for the PD units as well, with everything ENC except the main dispatch channels. But for them to complety and blatently lie about their intentions when they were lucky enough to get the frequencies they want... just to change their mind to go 100% ENC... that is a bold move and a slap in the face to the people trying to help them. (NOT TO MENTION the public, who is fronting the bill =) )

 

[vinzep491]

Here is one of the articles about WGAL being kind enough to share their frequencies. The acted in good failth and for them to be shut out after all the generosity would be a stupid move on the counties part..

""There are portable scanners that monitor T-band systems, according to Weaver, so private citizens who listen to emergency communications will not be left in the dark.""

Read more: Lancaster County gets OK for new radio system - News

 

[daneg]

Here is one of the articles about WGAL being kind enough to share their frequencies. The acted in good failth and for them to be shut out after all the generosity would be a stupid move on the counties part..

""There are portable scanners that monitor T-band systems, according to Weaver, so private citizens who listen to emergency communications will not be left in the dark.""

Read more: Lancaster County gets OK for new radio system - News

Yeah I remember this too. Hopefully they leave everything open except like SERT, stings, raids and such.

 

[vinzep491]

Yeah I remember this too. Hopefully they leave everything open except like SERT, stings, raids and such.

If they do not they would be slapping WGAL in the face ... not a smart thing to do with the media that covers one's territory. Kind of playing dirty.. say what you want to get the frequecies you want.. then say another thing.

 

[loudog212]

please forgive my lack of knowledge. someone was broadcasting a bunch of lancaster police frequencies and they are no longer avaliable. was this a result of some sort of digital switch in their radio system and/or is there any chance of these broadcasts coming back?

Thank you in advance

 

[iamhere300]

Rumor has it, end of the month before a decision is made. NLT 1 March

 

[daneg]

please forgive my lack of knowledge. someone was broadcasting a bunch of lancaster police frequencies and they are no longer avaliable. was this a result of some sort of digital switch in their radio system and/or is there any chance of these broadcasts coming back?

Thank you in advance

Yeah some of the feeds went away. I recently started doing Northeast PD.
Lancaster County Northeast Police Live Scanner Audio Feed

 

[RFEngineering101]

Rumor has it, end of the month before a decision is made. NLT 1 March

Did anyone hear anything about Lancaster already spending over $1 million on Tait mobiles/base stations to be used on the new system? Sounds like putting the cart before the horse if they haven't awarded a vendor contract for the backbone system yet.

 

[vinzep491]

Did anyone hear anything about Lancaster already spending over $1 million on Tait mobiles/base stations to be used on the new system? Sounds like putting the cart before the horse if they haven't awarded a vendor contract for the backbone system yet.

Where did you hear this information?

 

[RFEngineering101]

Where did you hear this information?

Apparently a bulletin went out last week to the fire chiefs. The County had over $1 million in grant money for mobiles, and they decided to spend all of it on TAIT radios. This is not a secret by the way, one of my fire service friends told me about the bulletin. This is a weird move when they haven't awarded the backbone contract yet.

 

[iamhere300]

Did anyone hear anything about Lancaster already spending over $1 million on Tait mobiles/base stations to be used on the new system? Sounds like putting the cart before the horse if they haven't awarded a vendor contract for the backbone system yet.

Why is that?

If the system is built as advertised, any P25 Trunked digital CAP compliant radio should perform beautifully. If not, the system is flawed, is not to specs, and should not be paid for.

 

[vinzep491]

Apparently a bulletin went out last week to the fire chiefs. The County had over $1 million in grant money for mobiles, and they decided to spend all of it on TAIT radios. This is not a secret by the way, one of my fire service friends told me about the bulletin. This is a weird move when they haven't awarded the backbone contract yet.

I guess the county did not want to loose their grant money so they spend what they were about to loose on the cheapest p25 series radios. It would not matter who builds out the sysytem infrastructure for LacCo, as long as its standard p25, the radios will work.

The only problem I see is that Moto, if selected for the build out, may give warrenty issues to the county for not having 100% Moto radios. But that just comes down to a contract negotiations issue.

 

[iamhere300]

I guess the county did not want to loose their grant money so they spend what they were about to loose on the cheapest p25 series radios. It would not matter who builds out the sysytem infrastructure for LacCo, as long as its standard p25, the radios will work.

The only problem I see is that Moto, if selected for the build out, may give warrenty issues to the county for not having 100% Moto radios. But that just comes down to a contract negotiations issue.

LOL.. Tait is far from the cheapest. Quality wise it is on par with Motorola. Those that are not aware of that are not informed. Ask just about any Tait user. Have you seen one yet? Held a portable in your hand? Used it? Looked at the speaker microphone connection?

You want cheaper than look at Vertex, Relm, Icom, Kenwood, and others.

Dealer cost on a highband trunked portable from Icom is 1k. THAT is inexpensive. Tait is nowhere near that cheap.

And warranty? There is no way a subscriber unit is in any way going to affect the warranty of the infrastructure. Even Motorola would not try to claim that.

If it affects the operation of the system, then the system would not be a fully complaint P25 system.

Do you really want any system that will only allow one manufacturers radios to be used on it? That leaves no room for true interoperability, as well as competitive bids. The cost would be outrageous.

It is amazing how much P25 radios have gone down in cost here in MO where the new statewide system is open to any P25 CAP compliant radio. Radios are available from 1250 up - again full blown P25 trunking radios!

Notice very clearly - I am not claiming Tait is better than, worse than, etc Motorola. Lets not get that battle started. I am just stating that by no means it is the cheapest by any stretch.

 

[TomJH]

County Radio

I've been reading and following the posts on here about the new radio system. I, like most of the rest of you, can't wait for the new system details to be announced. However, one thing I learned a long, long time ago, we are talking about politics here. I learned that back when Paul Lease was running things at county. I learned that when I was a member of the local fire company. This group of people will do what ever they please with no regards for anyone else's input or interests. I like to think of them as "the elite". We all know how "honest" politicians are.

Everyone is trying to second guess what county will do. We all will have to keep the "antenna" up and try and stay on top of things, but don't hold your breath on non-encrypted radios. Don't loose site of the fact these guys bought into the open sky scam, and no one would have been able to listen to that either! Nothing in politics is transparent.