Legacy Jefferson County unit numbering

[Kammoblammo]

I posted the other day about a Jefferson county EMS unit spreadsheet i was creating. Well in addition to that im working on a historical project too. Now im fairly familiar with the 4 digit system. A few counties still use it but Jefferson & Bullitt Counties have ditched it.

Anyway, im mainly just trying to compile a list of department numbers used. I know there’s a few duplicates like 33 being Jtown & Shelby County FD. Ik some areas that use it but specific departments do that (Shelbyville FD). Here is the ones i have so far, if anyone knows additional departments i missed (theres a lot) please lmk.

11 - Highview
12 - Harrods Creed
13 - An oldham FD
14 - an Oldham FD
16 - Lyndon ?
22 - PRP
20 - Anchorage
26 - St Matts
31 - Mt Washington?
33 - Jtown & SCFD
40 - Lake Dreamland ??
45 - LaGrange
50 - Camp Taylor
5? - Lebanon Junction
54 - South Oldham
60 - Black Mudd???
64 - JC Special ops?
66 - JC Special ops?
71 - Fern Creek
75 - Eastwood?
80 - Okolona
81 - Zoneton
90 - Fairdale
99 - Middletown & Anchorage-Middletown

I wasn’t really following until right around the time Jefferson County made the change 3 or so years ago. So im missing a lot. Also ISO of oddities. Ik the third digit indicated unit type, but there were oddities like 6 being tankers but in Jefferson County some Dry Trucks used 6. 7 was also used for AMFEMS’ Hazmat wasn’t it?

Also completely unrelated to this but still regarding historical stuff, does anyone know which department had the last volunteers? Ive seen ppl say Fairdale & Fern Creek still have vollies but that does not seem to be true. Ik Fairdale & PRP still have part time only stations.

Thanks for any info - Kam

 

[alky1234]

Some of the information is still on the RR Wiki. Hopefully to stay as a historical reference.

Jefferson County (KY) - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[Kammoblammo]

Thank you. I forgot that was a thing actually.

 

[INDaviation]

The pages marked "- Legacy" here have historical apparatus numbering:

Jefferson County

Welcome to KentuckyFireTrucks.com, your source for nicely posed photos of fire apparatus from all over the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

www.kentuckyfiretrucks.com

Don't forget to check some of the pages for merged departments too.

 

[ofd8001]

Guess I'm a dinosaur for saying this, but. . . Back in 1974 when I got in the fire service, we had a 2/3 digit numbering system. It didn't have expansion room, so the four digit system was devised. Four digit system worked fine for a long time, but like with most things, folks want to leave their own mark and "improve" stuff. So the current system, which is an expansion of the LFD system, came to be.

With the new system, if there is cross county mutual aid, such as Jefferson going into Bullitt, folks have to add a "1" to their unit number. Personally, I think if they just had to change, they should have just used the national standard of Agency Name, Resource Type, Resource Number, as in "Louisville Engine 1 to St. Matthews Truck 2".

Anyhow, got deep into the archives and came up with this circa 2005.

SUBURBAN FIRE FOUR DIGIT NUMBERING SYSTEM
THE FIRST TWO DIGITS REPRESENT THE NAME OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT:
Anchorage 20
Buechel 37
Camp Taylor 50
Dixie Suburban 30
Eastwood 77
Fairdale 90
Fern Creek 71
Harrods Creek 12
Highview 11
Jeffersontown 33
Lake Dreamland 40
Lyndon 16
McMahan 55
Middletown 99
Okolona 80
Pleasure Ridge Park 22
St. Matthews 26
Worthington 18
THE FIRST TWO DIGITS REPRESENT THE SPECIAL TEAM:
Haz-Mat Team 66
Trench Rescue 64
Water Rescue 68
THIRD DIGIT – TYPE OF APPARATUS FOURTH DIGIT – APPARATUS NUMBER
0 - Chief Officer 01 - Always Fire Chief of the District
1 - Misc. Personnel/Officers 02-09 - Command Officers
2 - Engine Company
3 - Engine / Squrt
4 - Quad
5 - Truck Company: Aerial, Elevating Platform,
Snorkel, Tele-Squrt, Tower and Quint
6 - Water Tanker/Tender
7 - Brush Fire Unit
8 - Heavy or Light Rescue/Squad, Ambulance
9 - Service, Utility or Special Purpose Vehicle
EXAMPLE: Unit 1632: 16 – Lyndon, 3 – Engine, 2 – Unit number two
Unit 5047: 50 – Camp Taylor, 4 – Quad, 7 – Unit number seven

SURROUNDING COUNTIES FIRE DEPARTMENTS
BULLITT COUNTY HARDIN COUNTY
Lebanon Junction 51 Central Hardin 10 Stephensburg 90
Mt. Washington 31 Elizabethtown 20 Upton 12
Nichols 49 Glendale 25 Valley Creek 13
Shepherdsville 92 Kentucky 86 80 Vinegrove 60
Southeast Bullitt 61 Radcliff 30 West 84 14
Zoneton 81 Rineyville 70 Westpoint 40
Sonora 11 White Mills 50
HENRY COUNTY OLDHAM COUNTY SHELBY COUNTY
Campbellsburg 11 Ballardsville 13 Bagdad 77
Eminence 22 LaGrange 45 East 60 66
Kentucky River 55 North Oldham 14 Mount Eden 99
Lake Jericho 66 Pee Wee Valley 84 Shelby County 33
New Castle 33 South Oldham 54 Shelbyville 500**
Pleasureville 44 Westport 19 Simpsonville 44
Waddye 88

 

[Kammoblammo]

The pages marked "- Legacy" here have historical apparatus numbering:

Jefferson County

Welcome to KentuckyFireTrucks.com, your source for nicely posed photos of fire apparatus from all over the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

www.kentuckyfiretrucks.com

Don't forget to check some of the pages for merged departments too.

Oh wow. Thats an amazing website

Guess I'm a dinosaur for saying this, but. . . Back in 1974 when I got in the fire service, we had a 2/3 digit numbering system. It didn't have expansion room, so the four digit system was devised. Four digit system worked fine for a long time, but like with most things, folks want to leave their own mark and "improve" stuff. So the current system, which is an expansion of the LFD system, came to be.

With the new system, if there is cross county mutual aid, such as Jefferson going into Bullitt, folks have to add a "1" to their unit number. Personally, I think if they just had to change, they should have just used the national standard of Agency Name, Resource Type, Resource Number, as in "Louisville Engine 1 to St. Matthews Truck 2".

Anyhow, got deep into the archives and came up with this circa 2005.

SUBURBAN FIRE FOUR DIGIT NUMBERING SYSTEM
THE FIRST TWO DIGITS REPRESENT THE NAME OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT:
Anchorage 20
Buechel 37
Camp Taylor 50
Dixie Suburban 30
Eastwood 77
Fairdale 90
Fern Creek 71
Harrods Creek 12
Highview 11
Jeffersontown 33
Lake Dreamland 40
Lyndon 16
McMahan 55
Middletown 99
Okolona 80
Pleasure Ridge Park 22
St. Matthews 26
Worthington 18
THE FIRST TWO DIGITS REPRESENT THE SPECIAL TEAM:
Haz-Mat Team 66
Trench Rescue 64
Water Rescue 68
THIRD DIGIT – TYPE OF APPARATUS FOURTH DIGIT – APPARATUS NUMBER
0 - Chief Officer 01 - Always Fire Chief of the District
1 - Misc. Personnel/Officers 02-09 - Command Officers
2 - Engine Company
3 - Engine / Squrt
4 - Quad
5 - Truck Company: Aerial, Elevating Platform,
Snorkel, Tele-Squrt, Tower and Quint
6 - Water Tanker/Tender
7 - Brush Fire Unit
8 - Heavy or Light Rescue/Squad, Ambulance
9 - Service, Utility or Special Purpose Vehicle
EXAMPLE: Unit 1632: 16 – Lyndon, 3 – Engine, 2 – Unit number two
Unit 5047: 50 – Camp Taylor, 4 – Quad, 7 – Unit number seven

SURROUNDING COUNTIES FIRE DEPARTMENTS
BULLITT COUNTY HARDIN COUNTY
Lebanon Junction 51 Central Hardin 10 Stephensburg 90
Mt. Washington 31 Elizabethtown 20 Upton 12
Nichols 49 Glendale 25 Valley Creek 13
Shepherdsville 92 Kentucky 86 80 Vinegrove 60
Southeast Bullitt 61 Radcliff 30 West 84 14
Zoneton 81 Rineyville 70 Westpoint 40
Sonora 11 White Mills 50
HENRY COUNTY OLDHAM COUNTY SHELBY COUNTY
Campbellsburg 11 Ballardsville 13 Bagdad 77
Eminence 22 LaGrange 45 East 60 66
Kentucky River 55 North Oldham 14 Mount Eden 99
Lake Jericho 66 Pee Wee Valley 84 Shelby County 33
New Castle 33 South Oldham 54 Shelbyville 500**
Pleasureville 44 Westport 19 Simpsonville 44
Waddye 88

this is basically exactly what i was looking for thank you. From some research i was doing today it also appears Henry & Trimble Counties used/still ise this system. Spencer & Meade too i believe. Some southern Indiana departments also appear to have used it and still do.

I feel similarly that the change was unnecessary. The current system seems fine but as you said in an older reply to a different but similar question i had last year, the plane crash definitely showed the current system isn’t perfect. I believe i was talking/Asking about bullitt county and you said something along the lines of “if we get another GE type situation it’s gonna be a mess” to be fair with a plane crash, that’s gonna be a mess no matter what system you have in place.

Thanks again for the info!