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Enjoi19

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In my continued browsing of the TAFL for LMRN, I see what looks like like a vehicle repeater system too? But it's in the 700 and 800mhz range. Reference identifier comes up with FDVR Repeater in all of them.

 

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That's interesting. There was a TAFL update about 4 years ago that contained three 770 MHz band frequencies named "Bell Mobility Radio P25 Test" with the corresponding +30 MHz input frequencies as well. They disappeared in the next update. There was also a single 143 MHz P25 license for the Bell Mobility tower at 407 & 6th Line in Oakville which did in fact transmit a P25/P2 signal for a few weeks back then, silent since.
 

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FDVR would probably be a Fixed Digital Voice Repeater. Judging by the locations, I’m guessing it’s kind of like a BEAT repeater replacement.
 

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Hi I have been away from listening to scanner radios for many years but have been thinking lately about maybe buying a new radio and getting back into listening again.
I am in the Ottawa area and want to know if its even possible to monitor Ottawa Police and OPP in my area anymore?
I know at one time we could not monitor Ottawa Police but have been told that some radios were eventually able to listen.
I used to own the base model that was the equal to the Uniden BC 250D. I think my model was a 796D possibly.
Anyhow, is it possible to monitor OPP and Ottawa Police and Smiths Falls Police? If so what would be the best scanner radio to purchase?
Thanks Kevin
You cannot listen to police in Ottawa, nor Smith's Falls. Currently the OPP is relatively open, but the system that is incoming and is projected to leave the OPP fully encrypted and not monitor-able. If your goal is to listen to police, right now may not be your best time to invest in this unless you pick up a used scanner for a good price and know that within a relatively short span of time, the OPP likely won't be an option to listen to.
 

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Looks like the beginning of the end unfortunately. I wonder how all the tows will get information? Maybe there will be a media channel or tow channel?
 

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Looks like the beginning of the end unfortunately. I wonder how all the tows will get information? Maybe there will be a media channel or tow channel?
I was wondering that too. Might just phase that out also. Might cut down on the tow truck wars
Or have a call out agency each company subscribes to and OPP calls them. They Page Out the next company in the rotation. Or each day a different company is the contract tow for the day. Who knows?
Would be in the OPP's best interest to keep them communications open. Even make a specific talkgroup that's not encrypted just for tow companies to monitor. Dispatcher sends the call out. Flips over to that group and gives the call or patches the group's together for a few minutes until first officer is on scene and gives and update.

Seems to be more of a GTA thing. We don't use anything like that down in the Oxford-Essex County region.
 

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I was wondering that too. Might just phase that out also. Might cut down on the tow truck wars
Or have a call out agency each company subscribes to and OPP calls them. They Page Out the next company in the rotation. Or each day a different company is the contract tow for the day. Who knows?
Would be in the OPP's best interest to keep them communications open. Even make a specific talkgroup that's not encrypted just for tow companies to monitor. Dispatcher sends the call out. Flips over to that group and gives the call or patches the group's together for a few minutes until first officer is on scene and gives and update.

Seems to be more of a GTA thing. We don't use anything like that down in the Oxford-Essex County region.
I agree! It would certainly be in their best interest to keep communications in the clear. Even the OPP has said they have a great working relationship with the media and the tows. I get the feeling that it is due to the comms being in the clear for many years.
 

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Same with Kitchener. Police said it's been a huge asset to have the public monitoring their system. They would find wanted people, suspicious vehicles and all sorts of stuff a lot faster. Now they are enc the officer I spoke with said they will loose a lot of eyes to help them out.
 

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There are a ton of us that are dying to know what is going to be ENC or not (if any). I have also heard the OPP discussing the possibility of providing LARGE media outlets (ie: CTV) with a loaner radio so they can listen to certain things and report news and traffic that way.

I see this as being an expensive and hugely troublesome in general. I was hoping MOH EMS would keep some or all regular and maybe ENC tac channels for hospital patches etc. I always expected OPP would encrypt fully.They already have some TG’s on the current FleetNet system that are ENC and they rarely use them unless it’s for an undercover / surveillance (mission critical) type scenario.

I’m in the Niagara Region. I’m going to program our current FleetNet frequencies into my radio on p25 phase 2 (VHF) and see if anythings pops out at me over the next little while.

I also wonder what they will do for the in vehicle repeaters? The currently use a UHF system in their vehicles and will switch to 700-800 and they may just leave those non enc for ease of programming and use. Maybe all a pipe dream lol.
My main question is: The current listed frequencies in this thread, are they currently listenable❓ Or are they already employing all ENC?
 

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Judging by the licence for the MTO stations and from what I’ve been told, the DVRS’ will be 700MHz. It’s my understanding MOC units are already using them and I think Zone 4 MOH units might also have them.
 

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Keep in mind the 700 MHz band used 6.25 kHz spacing so that's 771.88125 MHz to be deadly accurate. Site inputs are +30 MHz up there which would be 801.88125 in this case.
 

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Without looking it up 769.000 to 776.000 sounds right in 6.25 kHz steps. That's not necessarily the entire alloted spectrum but it is what's been seen active in the GTHA to date for public safety frequency assignments.
 
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Keep in mind the 700 MHz band used 6.25 kHz spacing so that's 771.88125 MHz to be deadly accurate. Site inputs are +30 MHz up there which would be 801.88125 in this case.
771.8813 / 801.8813 is right off their radio license. Listed as a FDVR. In service date of 2020-10-01
 

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I'm currently watching another system moving to new gear and they are also keeping the same talkgroups as their old system. There were talks about adding a new site in Leamington and possibly one on Pelee Island. There are two medics are out there 24 hours a day for five days in a row with a truck and a backup vehicle then they swap out with a different crew.
Guess the comms aren't the best out on the island so might see two new sites. One of the OPP sites in Leamington had an antenna removed and replaced with what looks to be a 800 MHz on one of the apartment buildings.
 

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I've been monitoring this system for a few weeks now. Windsor Essex Chatham-Kent is the testing grounds. All 3 sites are up and active. OPP and EMS are currently getting their new radios installed starting this week and to be finishing the counties up by the end of the year and switched over by January.

Was also talk of adding a new site to Leamington and possibly Pelee Island to fill in coverage issues for primary EMS.
And as we all know I'm sure we won't be able to monitor anyone once they switch. Not sure if the old system will be patched to the new or not but this is indeed the "new FleetNet"

Been monitoring all 3 sites and no activity on Chatham or Essex towers as of yet. All only off the Windsor site for now until radios are in and the switch is made.
Will the system settings for the Type II system work for the P25 as well? (Base freq, Hi, Lo, etc.)

Can I just change the control channel and system to P25? I am using a Whistler TRX-1

Thank you!
 

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You don't need those settings for a P25 system. Just put in the control channel and go basically.
 
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