LOG Not Performing Well

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I built a 60 foot LOG yesterday using a DX Engineering BFS-1 at the feed point. The wire is solid core thin telephone cross-connect wire.

The LOG is very quiet and barely picks up distant signals. Compared to my Pixel 1B mag loop, this thing is practically dead.

I have watched numerous videos and read a lot about the LOG and mine is not as effective as others. This LOG is deaf on160 and 80 meters.

Any suggestions on what to do?
 

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You're comparing 2 dissimilar antennas - how can you expect that their performance would be similar in any way? One is passive, the other active. One is vertical, the other horizontal. The list goes on....

You are using a balun for a beverage? Maybe not the best choice.

Did you read any of the discussions we had here on RR? It was very extensive...and there's even a Facebook page for the LOG...



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On the DXE website, someone commented on using the BFS-1 for LOG and that it works exceptionally well.

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I did read through the thread you posted. It seems like some have luck with this antenna, no?
 

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Interesting, at night, the LOG is different. I am picking up Israel 4XZ @ 4133 Khz with the LOG and Pixel. Also found conversations @ 160 and 80 meters. Not sure why day/night makes a difference.
 

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cmjonesinc, thanks for the link. I do understand the concepts. I am questioning why the LOG appears to perform better at night than the day - when compared to other antennas here. The Pixel and mini whip do well regardless of time of day. The LOG didn't pull much in in the AM while the loop was performing well.
 

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DX Engineering didn't give a yes or no regarding usage for a LOG, the response was more or less 'give it a shot and see'.
 

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If you haven't already, check out KK5JY's site about the LoG. He mentions the DXE BFS-1 is a commercial version of the originator's transformer. I forget the original ham's call sign, but it's on the KK5JY site.
I built one of his transformers, and will be putting together a LoG before the snow flies.
I have one of the DXE BFS-1versions but I'm using that on a vertical loop I used during the winter before the snow melted.
 

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Hello all, this is my first post here, and I hope I won't violate any rules !!

Since I discovered the KK5JY LoG design (The Loop on Ground Antenna - the "LoG") years ago and after building several samples of the antenna and fiddling with it, all I can say is that I felt in love with such a simple, invisible, cheap antenna; I'm not saying it's the best antenna you can use for RX, but if one is plagued by noise (switching mode stuff, plasma TV sets and then some), the LoG may really do miracles; what it won't do will be boosting signals, the LoG is all about S/N ratio, what it will do is lowering your overall noise floor and allowing to pick up signals which would, otherwise, be lost into the noise

That said, while the LoG is simple to put together, in my experience it's somewhat "picky" about how and where one installs it, what I mean is that the LoG must be ON ground (not raised) and that it should be laid down in a spot where there aren't underground metallic objects, be those pipes, wires, old tanks or whatever, since those would almost totally ruin the antenna performance, also, ensure to feed the antenna using a transformer built exactly as shown on Matt's (KK5JY) page, do not feed it directly with coax or use a different BalUn design (that may, and in my own explerience, will, ruin performances) and, if possible, add a good CM choke right after the BalUn, not mandatory, but will help; if then the antenna performance isn't still satisfactory, try moving the wire to reorient/move the antenna to a different location, that will help in case there are underground/nearby metallic objects, also, to keep the LoG wire on ground do not use metallic stakes, use plastic ones or, either, bricks or the like

Also, while the LoG doesn't usually need a preamp (as long as one feeds it using decently low loss coax), in some cases one may want to add a preamp to boost the received signals (but remember that it will also raise the noise floor); in such a case there are two preamplifiers which I tried with the LoG and which work pretty well

The first one is a very simple, yet good preamp designed by W7IUV, the preamp is a wideband one and works well on the "top bands" (up to about 7Mhz), its schematic can be found here https://www.okdxf.eu/files/preamp_r60.pdf - a different approach which I also tested, was using a tuned preamp (instead of a wideband one like the previous), the preamp I tested is described here http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/Jan-Feb2018/Steber.pdf it's a tuned preamp using a varactor stage, if going for such a preamp, build it so that the tuning/power unit will sit in the shack, while the preamp will be at the antenna feedpoint (between the balun and the choke) and will be powered/controlled using a run of (e.g.) CAT-5 cable (RF will still go through the coax), in such a case, add a bypass relay to the preamp so that, flipping off the power switch on the (shack) control box will open the relay, bypassing the preamp and allowing to use the LoG in passive mode

But again, before going for the preamp, try properly laying down the LoG and if needed moving it to a different location, also, when testing it, ignore the "S meter", as I wrote, this antenna isn't about boosting signals, but about lowering the noise so that, even if weak, signals will become readable
 
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