Indeed so true Brian; TG 9113 Mtn View FD radio 350052 continues to affliate off of Cheyenne Mtn assuming the FF just lives down south.
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Longmont on DTRS
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Indeed so true Brian; TG 9113 Mtn View FD radio 350052 continues to affliate off of Cheyenne Mtn assuming the FF just lives down south.
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Longmont PD
Does anyone know yet what the TG ID's are for Longmont PD channels? 2116 & 2117 are these Longmont FD trucks? I have some ID's in the 9100's on up for Longmont & Boulder, are these right or will Longmont be in the 2100's?
Does anyone know yet what the TG ID's are for Longmont PD channels? 2116 & 2117 are these Longmont FD trucks? I have some ID's in the 9100's on up for Longmont & Boulder, are these right or will Longmont be in the 2100's?
nathancarlson
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My reference to the 2100's was for the radio call sign numbers, not Talk Groups or Radio ID (private talkgroups) for DTRS. Boulder County implemented a system that changed the radio call signs to four didgets. this was to prevent confusion when there were multiple agencies, especially on Red One, Boulder Countys fire dispatch channel. Instead of saying "Engine 1" or "truck 1" they had each agency assigned a different series of numbers. Otherwise, there would be mulitple "engine 1" units sometimes working the same incident. As far as Talk Group ID's, we are thinking they will be in the 9100 range. Longmont is still on the conventional system (with the exception of Power), as is the rest of Boulder County. Mountain View and Rocky Mountain Fire use DTRS mainly for car to car, and MVFPD uses it for Weld County calls. Sorry for the confusion! Check out this link to see Boulder Counties radio designators, on the BSO website:
Radio Numbers - Abbreviated - Boulder County Sheriffs Office
Radio Numbers - Abbreviated - Boulder County Sheriffs Office
Halfpint
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Well... I *will* admit that I haven't been all that interested in just what the LFD `Unit' numbers are so I don't know if those are LFD numbers or not. But, I suspect that Parker and Sheridan would possibly be surprised about LFD, and LPD, using TGs in the 2100s though there *are* some other annomalies to be found throughout the State's DTRS TGs. {GRIN!}
As for *possible* TGs... Right now it *appears* that the 9100 - 9149 TGs are where there are, and most likely will be more (*Maybe even BSO *eventual* `*low-band-Hi*?' DTR TGs??) , Boulder County (Assorted Agencies) Mutual Aid TGs. The Range from 9500 - 9549 is beginning to appear to be where the `City of Longmont' will be. (While *some* may quibble about the initial use of the DTRS by the Water & Power departments it actually does make sense as these departments are lower on the `sense of urgency scale' than the PD & FD. Also, even with that having been `said', these departments `see' almost, if possibly more than, all of the area(s) that the PD & FD will `see'. What better to test `coverage'.)
Unfortunately *I* have noticed that for the most part a *lot* of recent `testing' has been conducted in `Encrypted Mode'. Whilst I can *somewhat* see how it *might* be a `good' idea to be doing so (And *NO* I am *NOT* trying to start yet another argument about ENC VS CLEAR!!!) I also do *not* see the `amount' of this type of testing as being so necessary and I *hope* that it isn't a sign of things to come though I am afraid that it is. Having said that... *If* one is interested in keeping an `eye on' a range where the City Of Longmont appears it might be eventually showing up on the State's DTRS the TGIDs range 9500 - 9549 is probably the best `candidate'.
So far *I* have TGIDs 9515, 9518, 9520, 9524, 9531, 9533, & 9538 IDed, using RIDs, along with what few actual `clear' transmissions I've managed to hear or record, as *my* `basis', as being possible TGs. The actual use of most, the Water & Power TGIDs [9531 & 9533] being pretty much `confirmed?', are still `open' to speculation / to be determined.
*I*, along with many others, am *still* wondering, though, just `what/why?' it is that is taking them so danged long to make the switch!? Is there something else they are trying to do with the `system' that we don't yet know about that is causing all the delay? (Are they actually, or going to be, `playing' "Beta Test System" like another system did way back when they went `Trunked'??)
nathancarlson
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I agree with Halfpint on the TGs he has seen. 9515 and 9518 have had a majority of the testing from what I have heard. I have had radio affiliations (via pro96com) on 9522-9526 as well, and the Longmont Hospital 72. I will do more logging this weekend and see what pops up.
My bad
Sorry guys ,I just don't search deep to find the TG's I guess I always dreamed a Perfect radio would give all data maybe some day Of course the display would be huge to LOL.........
anyway I just started working this new 12 hour on twelve hour off schedule so I'm sleep deprived
till I get used to it or die ...LOL
Sorry guys ,I just don't search deep to find the TG's I guess I always dreamed a Perfect radio would give all data maybe some day Of course the display would be huge to LOL.........
anyway I just started working this new 12 hour on twelve hour off schedule so I'm sleep deprived
till I get used to it or die ...LOL
Halfpint
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A `perfect' radio, for some people, would be one that all one had to do was just turn it on, enter what one wanted, and then sit back whilst it programmed itself. 'Course, for another some people, *that* would take all the `fun' out of this `hobby' because then there'd be basically nothing to do except listen. For the, rest of some people, it is somewhere in the `middle' whereby there would be the `mad?' searching and then the `sitting back and listening'. {GRIN!} (I suspect that the vast majority of the people here on RR are scattered all over the `middle'.) As for the display `size'... They *could* make them a tad bit bigger and most people wouldn't complain all that much but, then why the heck are there computer hookups and computers? Now *that* is a `big display'!
YIKES! 12/12! Here's hoping that it is only *very temporary* and you get back to something a bit more `normal' *very soon*! I suspect we'll try to do our bit, in helping you get through, by trying to at least help keep you updated on what's going on with the `do_gmont'... err... Longmont `saga'. {VB GRIN!}
Halfpint
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9522 *through* 9526? I don't recall seeing anything in that `range' except for 9524 but, since I don't have a scanner `talking' to a computer 24/7 I probably missed out. (My `hours' have been a tad bit similar to jeffreyinberthoud'sin that they've been more like 10-12 `on' followed by 12-14 `off'. [My Doctors have been `messing with' my pain meds again and it's making things more than just a little crazy. They keep trying to tell me that all they're doing is "trying to help"?] It's awfully hard to try and catch TGIDs when one ends up asleep during `business hours'.)
Anyway... What `type' of `testing' have they been doing on 9522-9523 and 9525-9526? In the `clear', ENC, or `tones'? Any idea of which `range?' of RIDs, ones that have affiliated more with `possible' PD or FD TGs in the past, are being used? (It sure would be nice for them to finally get off of their `keesters' and get the system up! Though I don't think that this is a `record' length of time for getting a `system' up and running. At least not yet though they just might achieve doing so if they keep this up. {GRIMACE!})
Oh, well...
nathancarlson
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I need to dig a little deeper in my saved files to find out why I had flagged the 9522-9526 TGs. I had set them to "flash" on my radio either because it had been an affilation on pro96com or I heard testing traffic on it. so i will work on that. BUT just a few minutes ago on TG 9515 I heard a Longmont PD unit trying to reach dispatch before going to the correct conventional channel. I think this had happened a few months ago with a different officer and I mentioned it in this thread somwhere. So my money is on 9515 for Longmont PD channel 1 Dispatch. I have not heard any people doing testing for a few weeks but every now and again I will plug in the scanner and see what radios are affiliating. The ones that are in the TG ranges I am watching, or are not in the RR database, are what I am proably "flagging" on my radio. The radio IDs for my "suspected" longmont units are 354400's so far.
scanlist
Scanning since the 70's to today.
When the mikes look the same it's easy to grab the wrong one.
With signal issues reported here of testing issues with pack sets at the PD it does not surprise me they are on hold.
Remember it took Mot 2 years to get the system coverage to an acceptable level in Greeley before they permanently moved to DTR.
With signal issues reported here of testing issues with pack sets at the PD it does not surprise me they are on hold.
Remember it took Mot 2 years to get the system coverage to an acceptable level in Greeley before they permanently moved to DTR.
nathancarlson
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more traffic on 9520 the last couple days totally encrypted.
I was out of town all week, but I left my scanner on setup for only the Sunset tower and only TG's 9500-9549. Here are the hit counts:
9519 1
9533 2
9518 4
9516 4
9515 34
9531 96
9520 456
Nothing too interesting at this point, but over a 7 day period, you can see which TG's are seeing some action. I have no way to tell if 9520 was encryped as reported, but I'll try and leave the scanner logging w/Pro96Com next week to get some more info.
-Brian
9519 1
9533 2
9518 4
9516 4
9515 34
9531 96
9520 456
Nothing too interesting at this point, but over a 7 day period, you can see which TG's are seeing some action. I have no way to tell if 9520 was encryped as reported, but I'll try and leave the scanner logging w/Pro96Com next week to get some more info.
-Brian
nathancarlson
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Today, more enc. traffic on TG 9538. 9515 on and off enc. during testing, nd 9515 was used for Heaven Fest over the weekend in the cleer.
scanlist
Scanning since the 70's to today.
Are you saying there is encryption on the fly on TG 9515?
If so and this is in fact their future main dispatch TG that could be unfortunate.
If so and this is in fact their future main dispatch TG that could be unfortunate.
luke-1
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Yup, I saw the same thing.
It appears that the dispatch console is clear, and the units are encrypted. That is just from watching radio id's.
But, as Nathan heard this past weekend, it was all in the clear during the festival. I guess it depends on what they are doing, and possibly who is helping with mutual aid.
nathancarlson
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I think they have the ablility to turn it on and off, and seem to be pretty good about when they do so. A lot of the testing I have heard has really related to this feature. Even the command post will be in the cleer for the first couple transmissions for what I am assuming is a special operation, and then it will go enc. along with what ever field units are working with it. Its good they can turn it on and off and I am sure they will not keep in on all the time once its up and running.
Today at about 1600, the conventional system went down for a while. I did not hear anything on the DTR system at this time, either. When it came back up, Officers were saying the "channel compelely disapeared from my radio". So I don't know what that was all about, but kind of scary! They do all have nextels so I guess there is still a last result line of communication but I hope they are careful as they make this transition and avoid "outages".
Today at about 1600, the conventional system went down for a while. I did not hear anything on the DTR system at this time, either. When it came back up, Officers were saying the "channel compelely disapeared from my radio". So I don't know what that was all about, but kind of scary! They do all have nextels so I guess there is still a last result line of communication but I hope they are careful as they make this transition and avoid "outages".
rckydenver
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Anyone getting anything on the 9515? Is still mixed?
luke-1
Member
9520 is active this morning, in fact right now at 10:00.
all encrypted and some Weld County radio's mixed in, encrypted also.
rckydenver
Member
Thanks Luke, got 9520 plugged in, seeing what i can pick-up.
Lot's of holes;
9505
9508
9509
9510
9511
9512
9513
9514
9515 Longmont PD Ch-1?
9516
9517
9518 Longmont FD?
9519
9520
9521
9522
9523
9524
9525
9526
9527
9531 Longmont Utilities
9533 Longmont Utilities Ch-2
9535
9538
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9505
9508
9509
9510
9511
9512
9513
9514
9515 Longmont PD Ch-1?
9516
9517
9518 Longmont FD?
9519
9520
9521
9522
9523
9524
9525
9526
9527
9531 Longmont Utilities
9533 Longmont Utilities Ch-2
9535
9538
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